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German car industry calls for reversal of EU 2035 combustion engine ban (www.cleanenergywire.org)
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[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So far I never drove long distance in an EV. Do so, it'll be an eye-opening experience for you. Also it is hard to miss this strong point of contention in online media.

Do you think most people in Germany are homeowners?

No, but cars cost a lot of money. So if they are not they should very seriously think about needing a car.

Do you really think this assumption of yours is based in reality?

That most people live outside of cities?

Yes. Less then a third of Germans live in cities(over 100k population) the rest lives in towns or rural regions.

It's the other way around though: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/662560/umfrage/urbanisierung-in-deutschland/

Also a City over 100k population is defined as a Großstadt. It's quite weird you try put that as a qualifier to score a win. No idea what you thought to gain by that.

Or that all people in cities live in their own homes with easy available charging and photovoltaic solutions?

No, but they live in a German city, which means they do not need a car.

BS. You don't know that.

Do you believe that somebody living in a rented flat in say Darmstadt needs a car? The city has trams and is pretty dense after all.

Yes, I do. You have absolutely no idea whatsoever on how their situation is. Maybe they need it for commuting, transporting chrildren, visiting relatives, etc. pp.

You can buy a decent flat for like 400k€ in Darmstadt...

If you are single or dink then probably, Families pay >600k€. There's almost nothing on the market, so prices stay shitty.

Also drive through any German city - Do you think that all / a majority of the cars owned by homeowners only?

Would you recommend somebody to buy the flat or the EV?

Note that in 2023 49% of new cars in Germany were financed, the trajectory growing since 2019 - I assume it's well beyond 50% now. Whatever you or I think about that financially or in terms of what it means for our society - it is what it is: People buy cars whether they can afford them or (according to you) need them or not.

who have access to a private parking lot, which can be used for home charging.

And I know a lot people that have a spot in an undergound garage - some have no chance for placing a charge, other have a prohibitive price point attached to it. Others live in an old building, there is no possibility of adding a garage.

Balcony solar is also a thing.

Yep, balcony solar will charge my car I in just a bit over 100 hours, realistically it'll take more than a week. This is assuming I get a spot in front of my own house, which happens like 5 times per year. Grasping at straws, but why?

Look, for some reason you thing you need to 'win' this 'point' and resort to moving goalposts and bad faith points.

I believe we both share the same goal that we want to promote EV usage and possibly even want to get rid of combustion engines? I know I do, especially in cities.

EV acceptance / migration in presently in decline HUK-E-Barometer There are a couple of reasons for that and a big one of those is that public charging is dog shit in Germany. Granted, it's better than 5 or 10 years ago but it is still dog shit. There still being need for more stations and the prices being a hot mess are the biggest problems here.

[–] Melchior@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Also a City over 100k population is defined as a Großstadt. It’s quite weird you try put that as a qualifier to score a win. No idea what you thought to gain by that.

German does not usually make a difference between city and town, but calls both of them Stadt. English has town and city, so I thought I clarify that, so we are not talking about different things.

I believe we both share the same goal that we want to promote EV usage and possibly even want to get rid of combustion engines? I know I do, especially in cities.

That is probably the real difference. I believe cars do not belong in urban settings, but that people should walk, cycle or take public transport. If you want everybody to drive, then you end up with American style suburbs, which are imho horrible. EVs are amazing in a rural setting and there are transitions zones, where cars make sense, but the more urban and the larger the settlement, the less I believe cars should be allowed

Hope that clarifies that.