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This is a case where every other organism on earth, except for maybe the junk bug, looks at humans with a confused air of disdain. Like, why did you manufacture this intractable problem by mandating clothing and shaming nudity in the first place?
You think humans invented clothing because of shame?
That's completely backwards, we invented clothing for protection, and not seeing everything all the time led to shame when someone could see us.
Like, I'm pretty sure hermit crabs feel something similar to shame when they don't have a shell, they need something to drive them to not only protect themselves, but to ensure they can reproduce and raise their young. That's why humans instinctually get weird about exposed genitals and boobs, those are the most important parts of a human from an evolutionary perspective.
I get what you're trying to say, it's just you're going about it completely backwards
Nah, I get that exposed flesh isn't always comfortable or safe and the practical solution is to just steal the skin of some other animal (or convert crude oil into super soft knit fabrics). I'm just of the personal mindset that if someone is comfortable enough in their own skin that they are completely fine going about their business in the buff, that the rest of society shouldn't lose its shit and just be like, "k whatever u do u naked person wear sunblock."
I love going around in 6 feet of snow without clothes
You're from Alaska, too??!
Don't forget decorator crabs.
That is my culture. Why do you have so little respect for my culture as to think I should follow your values?
I have seen variations of this debate in letters from around 100. I'm sure it goes back much farther.
Why would anyone respect a culture?
"A bunch of people made a decision. Therefore you can't question it". Like... What?
That is what it means to be a liberal: you respect people who are different than you to as large an extent possible. (there are limits - I don't respect cannibal cultures ...)
Eh.. is a human minimum to respect other people. But their actions are always to be judged against legality and morality.
So if your culture eats sauerkraut on cheesecake, that's weird but I don't care.
And if your culture trains women to be subservient to men, that's weird and I'm judging you.
Culture is just that which a group says/does. If you value the well-being of humans then you can evaluate if an action is good or not. "Respect" of culture need not come into the solution of how best it is to act.