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Israel attacks Iran. Iran which was tolerable to media a few months ago is now the root of all evil.
Talk of manufacturing consent in an unprovoked attack on another country. The scrambling to justify these attacks on Iran is real interesting.
See you tomorrow and the next day for an Iran did this bad thing story. Keep drip feeding that narrative.
This is textbook manufacturing consent. Maybe these people could benefit from a little history on how these people got into power, and what helps keep them in power. Big surprise, the same people that loves to bring up how terrible they are as they attack them.
When was Iran tolerable? They're still as much of a fucked up theocracy with a terrible record on human rights as they've been since the revolution.
And they're less terrible than any country that is supporting Israel's Holocaust in Gaza.
Israel is terrible, but Iran is one of the few countries in the world that tops them.
They funded, supported, and armed Hezbollah in Lebanon hat has helped turn the country into a failed state
They funded, supported, and armed the Houthis in Yemen that helped turn the country into a failed state
They funded, supported, and armed Zaynabiyoun Brigade and Fatemiyoun DivisionIraq in Syria which helped make Syria's civil war so much worse
They funded, supported, and armed Kataib Hezb Allah, Harakat Hezb Allah al Nujaba, Badr organization, Kataib Sayyad al Shuhada, and Asaib Ahl al Haq in Iraq which turned the country into a failed state
They directly helped create the conditions that led to the rise of ISIS in both Iraq and Syria
They are openly arming and supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine
They support and fund Saraya al Ashtar and Saraya al Mukhtar in Bahrain to help destabilize the country
They fund, support, and arm the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Palestine to keep the country radical and violent against Israel (funny how Israel and Iran have the same goals here)
They supported the brutal Al Assad regime in Syria and helped keep him in power
They supported and funded Hezbollah al Hejaz in Saudi Arabia to try and destabilize the country
They literally have an entire branch in their military that's specifically created for the purpose of arming proxy groups to destabilize the region (Quds force)
They have been oppressing and killing their own people to such a comical degree that they even make other authoritarian countries uncomfortable
They Idk what planet people on this site live on, but Iran is not a force for good in any capacity. The people who support them are either evil, ignorant, or both.
I recall seeing a lot of posts on here praising the leadership whenever they said anything negative about Trump
But that's about the only stuff positive about Iran I've seen on here.
I said tolerable to the media. Been barely discussed in UK media until Israel attacked them, now they're scrambling to justify it based on how bad Iran is...
I'm not in the UK, but I recall Iran being in the media a lot in China and the US. Back when Trump assassinated one of their generals during his first term, the recurring abductions and rapes of women and young girls by the morality police that sparked nationwide protests, the arms they are providing for Russia in their invasion of Ukraine, and now Israel's unprovoked attack on Iranian infrastructure and citizens.
What do you expect iran to do want the whole west is imposing severe sanctions harming regular citizens. Iran as no choice but to work with russia. Iran could have been an neutral country if americans, israelis and britosh didn't support the shah coup
I expect them to stop harming their own civilians, too.
We don't need to cheer on an oppressive, totalitarian regime just because they're at odds with another oppressive, totalitarian regime.
Funny, I've been saying this for the last three years and liberals have been telling me that that makes me a tankie Putin simp.
Based on your other comment, I'm inclined to agree with the liberals.
I am cheering iran right to self defence not the regime harming their own civilians.
Do you condemn israel starting the war and killing civilians ?
Yes I condemn Israel, this isn't an either/or type of situation. Both countries are shitty.
Ukraine is also pretty shitty, but no one seems to have any problem understanding why people would cheer them on when they get attacked.
Funny how liberals can only extend that privilege to white countries
We saw how western and Israel intervention always has devastating effect to the population of those countries. The only rational way to think about this is Iran has to defend itself against foreign power known for indiscriminate destructions . Once once it is repealed . The Iranian population can fight against the regime
Sure, not saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself.
Revolution is sort of a separate consideration, however. Governments often use war as an excuse to continue eroding the basic rights of citizens, and Iran is no stranger to theocratic fascism. Revolutions can begin during wars.
1940's China paused its revolution in order to face the existential threat of Japan. On the other hand, 1910's Russia began its revolution during the ongoing conflict of the Great War. The people will reach a breaking point whenever things become too intolerable. It's different for each example.
Only soldiers on the ground by the usa may make the regime fall. Iran war will never got worse than gaza war. Despite famine, only few gazans are protesting hamas.
I will also repeat that western interventions always has terrible effects
I think we're having separate conversations, this is about a much needed people's revolution by the citizens in Iran to course correct for the Western meddling that landed them in their current situation.
Basically nothing for 2 years (the protests ended), and the first term for Trump ended in 2021, so 4 years ago. The only thing I have seen is about arms sales, occasionally and it doesn't express any opinion other than an Iran drone was used.
In the last few days since the attack, it's quite a lot about nuclear weapons that may be 2 months, 2 years or a 20 years away, and now about journalists. Basically, the strategy has changed to bumping them up the enemies list to justify the attacks.
We don't see much about the Syrian leader, as he's not much of a terrorist now he's working with the West.
It's interesting how media can pivot their narratives about who the heroes and villains are at any time, and it's always in line with government foreign policy.
Welp, you convinced me, I now support killing as many Iranians, men women and children, as it takes to save Iranians from the yoke of the Islamic Republic. /s
Waging war on Iran will not improve the situation of any Iranian, even the worst off. Do not use the name of the people who will be slaughtered by the millions for your warmongering propaganda.
Not sure how you got any of that from what I was saying. Feel free to take your black and white worldview somewhere else.
Oh, I just assumed that your parroting of the mainstream media justifications of this war of aggression to be an assent of this war. Sorry, my bad.
Sadly, Iran has not been "tolerable to the media" in recent times.
(Example: a few months ago, their courts were discussing whether to sentence a rapper named Tataloo to death for "corruption on earth" - singing about the wrong things.)
Since they are now in war, media freedom in Iran is probably under the table.
Lmao imagine thinking that Iran under the regime of the mullahs has ever had any sort of media freedom
In the UK they were not a problem. Not even discussed until Israel attacked and now they're scrambling to paint them as the biggest evil to retroactively justify the attacks.
Media freedom is rubbish in Iran. They're not good guys. However, media is silent on the number of journalists Israel has killed recently, and no, they're not allowed in Gaza, so the threat of death and lack of freedom seems to apply to the aggressors also.
In reality, they should be clearly communicating this is 2 bad guys fighting this out. It's obvious who the aggressor is who kicked off another front though.
Would you say they should teach World War 2 was just bad guys fighting it out? Or are you a hypocrite?
What?
It's a simple question
You're going to have to elaborate. I need to understand the logical contortion you went through to muster that question...
Lol. The fact that your evading the question and bringing out the reddit smarm suggests that the answer is that you're a hypocrite.
Irony.
Not really
In what parallel reality do you live in ? It has been classified as one of the worse country for press freedom since years by RSF, they shutdown internet when things get out of hand and banned a lot of social medias.
If you read your sources, you'll realise Palestine is the worst. "Palestine has become the world’s most dangerous state for journalists, as almost 200 reporters were killed in Gaza by the Israeli army over the first 18 months of war, at least 42 of whom were likely killed due to their work. In the West Bank, where journalists were already the victims of abuses by both the Palestinian Authority and the Israeli occupying forces, Israeli pressure has intensified since 7 October 2023, with an increase in arrests of reporters and obstructions to their work."
2 bad guys are fighting it out here. One was an aggressor who started this conflict...
Clearly, and i never said the opposite.
Why are people upvoting you when you're wrong?
People on this site are seriously out of touch
I don't want to be mean but did you live under a rock in 2022-2023?
I said a few months ago. I'm pretty sure 24+ months doesn't fall under the categorisation of "a few". Iran has been barely touched upon for years, and now the headlines are rolling about how horrible they are now there is a war to justify.
It has been touched upon for years, then fell off the news wagon because of other events.
The attacks are unjustified, but this narrative of "the media had no problem with Iran" when again, in the past years, executions and state violence carried out by Iran have been reported, is false.
I didn't say no problem, I said tolerable. You really need to read the dictionary and understand words. You cannot just interpret things how you feel, rather than what the words mean.
Did you not see how quick policy and media narratives switch. Recently they tried to rehabilitate the Syrian leader, who's group was allied to American enemies, and all of a sudden, he wasn't that bad, let's drop sanctions.
You have to realise that, what is good and bad, and what the media tells you is good and bad are two different things. You have to critically challenge the narratives you're fed.
Mate, I don't rely on mainstream media to tell me what to think about Iran. I have in-laws there. My partner regularly talks to them.
Iran was always shite and during the protests, the media said as much. When they executed protestors, It got reported upon. There was never a time in which Iran was like anywhere close tolerable. Did UK media not pounce on the Shahed drones to Russia? Come on, mate.
The UK media did not. It was mentioned they were used but with no judgement one way over another. The amount of UK weapons used to execute civilians, to them this is state normal.
Myanmar are Ethiopia are doing much worse to civilians. Saudi are horrific for rights. Those countries are barely mentioned. It's not about atrocities. It's about Western foreign policy.
Well fuck UK media then, lol.
Maybe I misunderstood you. I've been seeing too many people running defense for Iran these days, and by running defense I don't mean justifying Iranian retaliation (totally justified to strike back if you're attacked) but rather defending the Iranian government retroactively.
Both Myanmar and Ethiopia are in active states of civil war. By the very nature of civil war they are doing much worse to their citizens. Iran hasn't been in a civil war, yet it's still brutalizing its citizens. Even more than the Saudis.
I ain't defending Iran, they ain't good guys. They just got attacked by worse guys. Probably as a distraction from the ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza.
My personal stance is all war is bad, and I will call out aggressors, because it's always civilians that bear the brunt of it. Nothing good ever comes from it, and it'll just harden people and if any bad folk are killed, they're inevitably replaced with worse.