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Very resonable (imo) response from Gargron (lead developer of Mastodon):
Cory has had a much more calm response on a fediverse post, offering to reach out to the EFF's lawyers for assistance in drafting a better ToS for Mastodon, and other experienced lawyers have offered help also. Amongst the usual negativity from some users.
I'll be keeping my eye on the outcome but so far it looks positive.
Mastodon comms person here. We're discussing how we go forward. The questions being asked are all absolutely reasonable, and we want to do what we can to improve the terms (that we do need to have in place) taking into account the feedback and offers of support.
This entire exchange is refreshingly wholesome.
Look! Adults talking!
Neat!
I'm still new to FOSS/Fediverse etcetc, but seeing someone just explain ToS like a human is so fucking refreshing.
Any plans of releasing the terms as open source, so smaller instances can adopt them?
They're included in the source code.
That's neat, thanks!
The upcoming 4.4 release has a generator based on a template, which was this one. We will look into whether we need to put that feature on hold from the 4.4 release while we work through this, however, yes the idea is that there would be a template set of terms that any instance could customise and adopt.
Thanks!
Thank you very much for the context, that makes a lot of sense and I'm glad this info can be part of the discussion here :)
Thanks for this extra context.
EFF's lawyers don't have the legal expertise to help a company based in Germany.
With the local law, probably not. With the translating the concerns of open communities like the fediverse and FLOSS into legal terms, most definitely.
The same legal terms might mean vastly different things in Germany and the US. This is often the case in arbitration and warranty clauses.
That doesn't negate the value of having them participate in the conversation though.
What, EFF doesn’t know any German lawyers? I’d imagine they know a few. They have been around for three and a half decades.
Perhaps not, perhaps so, but we do have other folks offering support and we will do what we can to get to a better situation here.