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[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Games run faster on SteamOS with proton than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

FTFY. I hate all these articles that downplay the heavy lifting proton (and all the tools that make it up) are doing. But "Proton makes games run better" doesn't get the same attention.

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago

I find they run even faster with Glorious Eggroll fork of proton

[–] themoken@startrek.website 67 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Proton is amazing, but it's entirely overhead translating library/system calls to Linux. It's accurate to say they run better on SteamOS, not to say Proton is making it run better.

Now maybe Proton makes them run better than a janky but native Linux port, but that's a separate statement about games being better optimized on Windows.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They're not only being better optimized on Windows which results that running them through Proton is better. In a lot of cases Windows versions actually run, while native Linux don't, because there's no single stable API (ABI? Idk) on Linux and games break when you update your system.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

(ABI? Idk)

Application Brogramming Interface?

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Almost. Application Binary Interface

[–] Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hogwarts legacy, which is a exe, runs on proton but not on windows 10. I'd say proton runs better than windows.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 16 points 1 day ago

That's hilarious, but not really the same thing.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Proton is amazing, but it’s entirely overhead translating library/system calls to Linux.

That is not at all true.

but that’s a separate statement about games being better optimized on Windows.

Is that though? You can't say X is better than Y when you're changing multiple variables. If windows had a proton equivalent and both games ran through it then yes that would be a direct comparison. But you can't say X + Y is better than Z (by itself)

DXVK is a part of proton that also is available on windows. DXVK alone can get you double digit performance improvements on games. And that's not getting into all the one off tweaks users can do to proton to optimize the game. Enabling pre compiled shaders gave a huge performance boost for Elden Ring.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago

But you can't say X + Y is better than Z (by itself)

I mean, yeah, you absolutely can. Especially when X + Y and Z are both common configurations, and using X or Y by themselves is uncommon or a known bad setup.

Sure, you can't be certain which of X or Y is making the differences in the comparison, but the comparison can absolutely be made.

[–] RonnieB@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

How is running an extra compatibility layer not overhead?

[–] despoticruin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

There is overhead but Vulkan allows you to batch draw calls in a far more efficient manner. It can also generally use multi threading to feed a GPU even if the game isn't coded with that in mind. Basically Vulkan offers so many improvements to efficiency and parallelization that the overhead is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall speedup in draw call optimization alone.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The compatibility layer is overhead, but the key difference for many games is that DXVK swaps directX for Vulkan, and Vulkan often gets better performance.

The performance gains of using steamOS are twofold, there's less OS load (this is particularly noticeable in low performance games, windows will consume much more battery on a game like Dead Cells than SteamOS will), and there's also a vulkan performance increase for some games. My understanding is if you see a big performance increase in a demanding game, that's usually thanks to vulkan.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vulkan isn't magic, its power comes from the flexibility it gives developers in its API. If developers are using DirectX, especially older versions, then they're not utilizing that flexibility.

If DirectX code performs better through a Vulkan translation layer than on Windows, it means the driver implementations or OS bloat are what's causing it.

With your theory, you could run a DirectX to Vulkan translation layer on Windows and also get increased performance. Which may be true, but once again points the finger at bad drivers.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

With your theory, you could run a DirectX to Vulkan translation layer on Windows and also get increased performance. Which may be true, but once again points the finger at bad drivers.

Yes, from what I've been told that actually does improve performance in many games.

entirely

It's not just overhead.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

In the same way that talking to a presidential translator is faster for a diplomat than talking to Trump. The translation layer can communicate more concisely and effectively.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago

Shh just let him wear himself out.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 day ago

I’m not sure it’s a Wine/Proton thing, it’s quite likely to be suboptimal at some things because it’s reverse engineered (not to diminish technical marvel that it is and decades of effort). Regular desktop Windows has just way too much overhead coming from everywhere.

As a side note, back in the day when Nvidia released drivers for FreeBSD using Linux binary compatibility layer was even faster than Linux for gaming.

[–] MHLoppy@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Would love to see tests like this attempting to use DXVK etc (as part of their testing on Windows) to better isolate more factors