When I tried it in the past, I kinda didn't take it seriously because everything was confined to its instance, but now, there's full-featured global search and proper federation everywhere? Wow, I thought I heard there were some technical obstacles making it very unlikely, but now it's just there and works great! I asked ChatGPT and it says this feature was added 5 years ago! Really? I'm not sure how I didn't notice this sooner. Was it really there for so long? With flairs showing original instance where video comes from and everything?

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 226 points 3 days ago (47 children)

I asked ChatGPT

Why do people bring this up every fucking time?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 94 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because they know it's not accurate and explicitly mention it so you know where this information comes from.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Then why post it at all?

[–] Xkdrxodrixkr@feddit.org 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Because they'd still like to know? it's generally expected to do some research on your own before asking other people, and inform them of what you've already tried

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 65 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Asking ChatGPT isn’t research.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

ChatGPT is a moderately useful tertiary source. Quoting Wikipedia isn't research, but using Wikipedia to find primary sources and reading those is a good faith effort. Likewise, asking ChatGPT in and of itself isn't research, but it can be a valid research aid if you use it to find relevant primary sources.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At least some editor will usually make sure Wikipedia is correct. There’s nobody ensuring chatGPT is correct.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just using the "information" it regurgitates isn't very useful, which is why I didn't recommend doing that. Whether the information summarized by Wikipedia and ChatGPT is accurate really isn't important, you use those tools to find primary sources.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I’d argue that it’s very important, especially since more and more people are using it. Wikipedia is generally correct and people, myself included, edit incorrect things. ChatGPT is a black box and there’s no user feedback. It’s also stupid to waste resources to run an inefficient LLM that a regular search and a few minutes of time, along with like a bite of an apple worth of energy, could easily handle. After all that, you’re going to need to check all those sources chatGPT used anyways, so how much time is it really saving you? At least with Wikipedia I know other people have looked at the same things I’m looking at, and a small percentage of those people will actually correct errors.

Many people aren’t using it as a valid research aid like you point out, they’re just pasting directly out of it onto the internet. This is the use case I dislike the most.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

It’s also stupid to waste resources to run an inefficient LLM that a regular search and a few minutes of time, along with like a bite of an apple worth of energy, could easily handle.

From what I can tell, running an LLM isn't really all that energy intensive, it's the training that takes loads of energy. And it's not like regular searches don't use loads of energy to initially index web results.

And this also ignores the gap between having a question, and knowing how to search for the answer. You might not even know where to start. Maybe you can search a vague question, but you're essentially hoping that somewhere in the first few results is a relevant discussion to get you on the right path. GPT, I find, is more efficient for getting from vague questions to more directed queries.

After all that, you’re going to need to check all those sources chatGPT used anyways, so how much time is it really saving you? At least with Wikipedia I know other people have looked at the same things I’m looking at, and a small percentage of those people will actually correct errors.

I find this attitude much more troubling than responsible LLM use. You should not be trusting tertiary sources, no matter how good their track record, you should be checking the sources used by Wikipedia too. You should always be checking your sources.

Many people aren’t using it as a valid research aid like you point out, they’re just pasting directly out of it onto the internet.

That's beyond the scope of my argument, and not really much worse than pasting directly from any tertiary source.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago (4 children)

AI seems to think it’s always right but in reality it is seldom correct.

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[–] Taiatari@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 3 days ago

Why post anything? Because they wanted to, the same way you posted something that you felt was worth adding. For me it wasn't adding anything. Nonetheless I answer you. Because I wanted to.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Buddy, it's nap time. Catch you in a couple hours when you're feeling better.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago

A nap does sound good.

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[–] BullCrapDetekta33@lemmings.world 11 points 2 days ago

"I used chatgpt"

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago

I asked Gemini, and my browser crashed, so, idk, man I guess it's knowledge too powerful for human minds to contain.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People also say they googled, unfortunately

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 75 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Not the same thing.

google allows for the possibility that the user was able to think critically about sources that a search returned

chapGPT is drunk uncle confidently stating a thing they heard third hand from Janet in accounting and then taking him at his word

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[–] _NetNomad@fedia.io 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately now Google is ChatGPT. It provides its own shitty AI answers, and its search results have been corrupted by an ocean of slop.

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[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Honest answer? It's easy and it won't judge you for asking stupid questions.

Edit - people are replying as if I said I do this. I'm sorry for the confusion. I don't. This is why I see other people do it. When it comes to the general population, most people don't care, they just want easy.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Search engines and Wikipedia don't judge you for asking stupid questions either.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No it'll just hallucinate shit that'll make you look dumb when you go and state it as fact.

[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

Yep, agree. That's why I don't personally use it.

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