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Iran has banned a weightlifter from sports for life and dissolved a sports committee after the athlete greeted an Israeli counterpart on a podium.

Mostafa Rajaei, a veteran weightlifter, finished second in his category in the 2023 World Master Weightlifting Championships in Poland and stood on a podium with an Iranian flag wrapped around him on Saturday.

On anther step of the podium stood Maksim Svirsky from Israel, who finished third.

The two athletes shook hands and took a picture together, which led to the Iran Weightlifting Federation banning Rajaei from all sports for life due to what it called an “unforgivable” transgression.

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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Assigning human traits to governments is so weird lol

[–] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

politics for liberals are just a big reality show

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hold up, assigning traits to a government made up by people (a group of people) is weird, but assigning traits to a different group of people isn't? I don't really disagree, but you can't agree with the comment above you and agree with your comment also.

[–] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can't agree with the comment above you and agree with your comment also.

of course i can; if i couldn't, i wouldn't, but i did it, which is proof that i can do it

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't while being a reasonable, logically consistent person. You can if you argue in bad faith, which I expect but usually people don't take pride in that.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did he assign a trait to liberals? Because if not, there's no inconsistency.

Then a follow up question: is there a difference between 'liberals' as a group (i.e. not liberalism) and a government (i.e. an institution)? If so, there may be no inconsistency.

What I mean is, when people talk about governments it's often as a non-human legal person, which can act, omit, sue, and be sued, but which does not have the full range of human traits, like insincerity. Whereas a group that does not have legal personality and only describes a collection of humans, albeit in the abstract, like 'liberals', can demonstrate a fuller range of human traits.

Then, as an experiment, switch the terms and see if it has the same ring to it:

politics for [governments] are just a big reality show

Does this anthropomorphise 'governments' in the same way as attributing human emotions to them?

I don't necessarily have answers to these questions but it seems that you can't be calling someone out for bad faith unless you can strongly argue yes, no, yes, to the above questions.

[–] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i admire the willingness to spell it out lol but that other guy has big reddit debatebro energy and i don't think it can go anywhere

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It's often the way. Hopefully someone else reading will see the flaw in forever calling an alternative viewpoint 'bad faith' because it's presented with humour.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did he assign a trait to liberals? Because if not, there's no inconsistency.

Let's see...

politics for liberals are just a big reality show

It sure seems like it. Liberals treat politics as a reality TV show seems to be a trait described.

Then a follow up question: is there a difference between 'liberals' as a group (i.e. not liberalism) and a government (i.e. an institution)? If so, there may be no inconsistency.

Sure, there is a difference. They're both institutions though. They can both be assigned traits in perfectly valid reasonable ways.

I don't necessarily have answers to these questions but it seems that you can't be calling someone out for bad faith unless you can strongly argue yes, no, yes, to the above questions.

I can strongly answer that "anthropomorphising" things made of anthropomorphic beings is perfectly reasonable. Giving traits to a building can be silly, but sometimes still useful literarily. Using human characteristics to describe humans is totally normal, useful, and reasonable.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

They're not comprised of robots. Apply synecdoche.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are made by people in the end

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, yeah it's obvious, but when people say that X company or country looks weak/happy/pissed, they are refering to the board of directors or congress that are taking the decisions, naming the country instead of the whole sentence is easier.

You can still find it weird ofc, I was just trying to explain why people do it.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Please teach me more of your liberal ways, I'm really starting to understand how the world works now.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really don't get the need of being so passive aggresive with someone trying to hold a conversation. Have a nice day.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you were actually interested in a conversation you would have answered my other replies to you.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am answering them, although those are in a different thread of comments. I have literally 5 comments from your user in my inbox and all of them have been answered.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where are the links to hexbear users saying they are going to vote for Trump?

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sent in the other comment, I couldn't bother because I had to search for them again, but since you insist.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm going to vote for him in multiple states

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd expect no less from a user of such a liberal instance.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey now, only we are allowed to insult us

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From one lib to another I thought that was high praise sorry

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, I was on mobile using the Connect app and it doesn't show the user's instance, didn't realise you are from the only other lib instance

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

No worries. We've got to stand together during tough times like these.

[–] SphereofWreckening@ttrpg.network 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some hexbear users really hate being decent when conversing.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SphereofWreckening@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You get what you give shrug-outta-hecks

Same energy

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you think being treated with derision on a niche webforum made by Marxists is equivalent to being killed on live television, then yeah sure. If that's the case though you should logout

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

And here I thought I left reddit...

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

Well governments are made of people...

If you're assigning human traits to the building the government is in, sure it's stupid. Recognizing the traits of the people representing the state is pretty normal though.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 1 year ago

If they act like children...

[–] cafe@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Governments are made by humans so… I guess human traits carry over