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[–] irmoz@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Easy

Inequality is caused by hierarchy

Remove hierarchy

Inequality is solved

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's like saying

Falling to your death is caused by gravity.

Remove gravity

Death solved.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not really, because gravity is a law of physics, while hierarchy is an arbitrary social construct. If you think it's natural to have people above you, that might be your kink, but not mine.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're both about as easy to arbitrarily remove... Your kink seems to be fantasy so get out your wand and get to work.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Social constructs are infinitely easier to remove than fundamental forces of the universe. Don't hyperbolise.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, its extremely accurate if you consider every aspect of nature is built off hierarchies. You think you can just wave a wand and remove it when every aspect of society is built off it. You're either extremely naive or just stupid.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

Nature also reproduces primarily through rape. Think twice before learning from nature.

You think you can just wave a wand and remove it when every aspect of society is built off it

Who mentioned wands?

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Brain dead take lmao you think anarchic monkeys in the jungle don't have hierarchy?

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My dude

They are monkeys

We have a bit more intelligence and organisational skill than wild animals

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you're saying that, with our intelligence, we can organize ourselves better than animals and not fall into... anarchy?

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If we organised ourselves properly, that would be anarchy. "Fall into anarchy" suggests you believe anarchy means chaos and disorder. It doesn't.

[–] Sprinklebump@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You obviously have not read Kropotkin's Mutual aid.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you still need to for lack of better word force people to partake in mutual aid? Right? That's what I don't understand about these discussions.

I tend to think more about chaos and war. Like chaos and war seems to be what life is regardless of any active governments.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

you still need to for lack of better word force people to partake in mutual aid? Right?

What makes you say this? You think, despite tens of thousands of years of evidence that humans work best as a cohesive unit, and naturally tend to do this, that humans can't work together?

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've known a lot of criminals/thieves and people that ruin people's lives on purpose. They don't budge for anything. The type of people that would kick the shit out of you because you accidentally made the wrong face or smiled wrong. I've seen people fuck up lives just for their own entertainment. Its really made me question life and society.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I also question society, and that is what I'm getting at. The society we have built actively encourages behaviour like this - we're built around a zero sum game theory of success, where one person's loss is another's gain. Hyper individualistic ideology has eroded communities into pure atomised subjects with no connection to each other. We are taught and forced to only think of only ourselves, better only ourselves, further only our own careers, because any moment you take to help someone else, they are somehow "leeching" off of you. And, in a sense, they are, because of how we have set our society, economy, and political systems up. Those moments you take to help other people are moments you could be making money for yourself, or learning something for your own self improvement... And in a real sense could hurt you.