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Judge orders Texas officials to remove floating buoys along Rio Grande border
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Have anti immigration people ever stopped to think about why others risk their lives and choose to leave everything they know to come to a land of better opportunity? I'm all for doing it legally and having immigrants pay taxes, but trying to kill them to stop it is ridiculous. America is easily the richest country on the planet, and has more than enough resources to help these people.
They're mad a new immigrant may be successful, when they should be furious at the ultra wealthy for hoarding all the money.
Have anti immigration people ever stopped to think >
No.
I mean if you have a 10 minute conversation with some native French folks they will give you a lot of really good arguments against allowing open borders for immigrants. Germany has the same problem.
Totally agree with you, we should not be allowing any disgusting French or German people into the US.
This is a great point. However, let me offer this counterpoint. Racism
Don’t forget the jobs created by the murder buoy industry.
That would require empathy.
They don't even hurt the economy overall. The people coming over are typically of working age, generally motivated and commit serious crimes at a rate less than half of native citizens. Texas has really good stats on this. The only stat illegal immigrants rate higher are moving violations. Possibly because they may not have licences or as much experience driving.
I've heard the arguments. It's to take our jobs and our money. Would they like to do the jobs they claim are being stolen? No. But it's great opportunity for young entrepreneurs, like lawn mowing! Are their kids going to do that? No. They'll probably try YouTuber and Twitch long before anything else.
Don't forget that the immigrants are simultaneously lazy, living entirely off of welfare, and stealing hard working Americans' jobs. They're Schrödinger's Immigrants!
They're not sending their best but they'll take your job! (We're saying you're worse than them but you don't realize it).
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Immigrants do pay taxes. Even the undocumented ones. They don't get the same benefit as the rest of us though. So most of the time we are taking advantage of them.
If you don't like that source there are plenty of others you can Google too.
It's crazy to think they don't pay taxes. It just doesn't make logical sense. How are they going to avoid it? The company paying them isn't going to be able to just hide that, so they have to register it and the taxes get paid.
Most of them are misinformed, if the knew what the US was really like they'd probably sail to Canada. Being the richest doesn't mean jack shit when there's nothing invested in the power classes.
You're describing the average conservative. The people who push the view that immigration is ruining the US aren't average conservatives. They're the ones who lie to conservatives to spin them into a rage in order to manipulate their vote. Those people are not themselves conservatives, but figureheads that collect a nice pretty penny from the rich folk to make sure the anger of their base never turns against the class whose fault everything actually is.
In short, as long as conservatives keep letting their talking heads tell them who to be mad at, they never will be furious at the ultra wealthy. And that's by design.
Yes, they are.
The big problem with that comment is most of them are also saying immigrants are taking our jobs, but they won’t work them because the money isn’t good enough for the actual work that they do.
And these business owners complaining about this will turn around and hire them because they are willing to work for less than minimum wage increasing the businesses profit.
All in all, if you look at it reasonably, the ultimate problem is created by business owners wanting to make more money and to do that push slave labor wages that only the immigrants are willing to take.
I do like hiring illegals, they are good workers and never ask for too much. If they do kick up any fuss you can always just call ICE
Maybe I framed that statement wrong. Of course they are the ones that say it the loudest. But it's not them who introduced that mindset into conservative crowds. Just like the recent flare up of transphobia. They hear it from the top that trans folk are molesting children, or that immigrants are taking jobs, or whatever the thing is that keeps their ire off of the rich, and they spread it around their own circles because they need an out group to villify.
You haven't noticed that hatred for these groups tend to be a conveniently-timed deflection from actual problems?
Getting the average Democrat riled up and angry at the average Republican is also by design. As long as the working class is mad at itself, it isn't looking at the ruling class as the problem.
The ruling class is absolutely the source of the problem.
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That would require them to realize how much the US has destabilized Central America over the past century.
Conservativism is not an ideology, it is a disease of the mind, a failure to see beyond your own experiences. The conservative wants to preserrve the aspects of the status quo that directly benefits themselves, and vehemently demand a chance to anything that doesn't. For as long as there have been conservatives, they have had shifting priorities to suit the in-group.
That's why they don't stop to think about how others are affected. Others are outside the in-group, and are therefore bad. Anything bad that happens to them is permitted, possibly with some rare regret, but the only priority is the self.
That's why the conservative demonizes education as elitism, expertise as arrogance. It is why the conservative looks for scapegoats and outsiders, and why they seem unable to perfeive their own hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy for a conservative, because the value does not exist outside the self. So whatever the self wants is good when the self wants it, and anything else is bad. If the conservative wants to subjugate women and punish them for sex, they will prohibit abortions for all. If the conservative wants an abortion the very next day, they will seek it out and lament how difficult it was for them. They will not change their opinion, anymore than a ship adrift in the wind changes its heading.
A rational person might have blind spots where they don't realize their beliefs are harmful. A conservative person will see the harm and decide that it is good, because that is the path that they want and everything else is an obstacle.
Conservatives are too stupid to understand this argument.
We don’t even spend the money we have on our own citizens. It’s not about having resources, it’s about spending the resources we have on what’s important, which apparently is guns and ammo, oil, and the military industrial complex.
Cruelty is the point, it's practically a virtue. And that cruelty also drives down wages so it's a message that gets plenty of air time.