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Bernie was a social-democratic sheepdog, but I think the movement around his presidential campaign actually kick started the social, political, and intellectual development of a lot Americans, and pipelined them into more revolutionary left ideologies. So, no. I don't think Sanders ruined anything, and in fact I think his impact was important, and a net positive, if sometimes overstated, and burdened by reformism.
If America is progressing towards a social revolution, Bernie represents the hazy and undisciplined strains of left-populist thought that manifests before a mass movement has found its footing. I could make analogies to earlier times and other countries, but I won't, because I don't think anything in the past quite perfectly describes the present, even if a few things here and there tend to rhyme.
Socdems like Sanders is still a weapon the bourgeoisie can wield if any Leftist movement has a chance to succeed. Socdems don't threaten their status, they can ride it out. When socdem policies start showing improvements in the social/economic they will just start tearing it apart.
I don't disagree at all
It's a sad state of affairs if affordable healthcare, fair wages, and education are considered revolutionary ideas.
"pipelining" as in they realized social democracy doesn't work because it is just crumbs from the table of the ruling class and therefore went beyond that