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Pretty accurate description of the type. Pretty sure I've seen folks over at lemmy use this very "argument", dead serious
I've seen them use this argument when they get lost and wander over here too. How does the phrase go? "Ask an anti-communist why they hate communism and they'll describe capitalism."
Or they'll just start describing why famines are bad and leaders sought to end them forever.
They act like from beginning of time until 1917 Russia and Ukraine never had famines but as soon as ol J-Stal got in power he pushed the famine button to really stick it to those damn Ukrainians!
Or how China was famine-free until Mao came into power and he singlehandedly invented famine in China.
It's also just ironic as fuck for liberals identifying happily as capitalists (even though they own little to no capital......) to think capitalism hasn't had fuckloads of actually provably purposely done famines famously the Irish potato famine and also the Bengal famine. The list is incredibly long of historically atrocious famines done right out in the open solely for profit, meanwhile they point at (at worst) policy failures and general fuckups and conclude "aha! They tried to improve things and it didn't go perfectly?! Genocide!!!" Meanwhile they'll tell you the potato famine was "natural." "Well, there were too many Irish after all!" (Legitimate argument at the time by psychotic landlords and such)
And btw pay no attention to starving and malnourished people in the richest nations on earth living in the streets. That is clearly not a failure of capitalism as a system! That's their own moral failure! They should get jobs or be job creators like those beautiful stockholders that contribute so much to society and should definitely not be immediately sent to the guillotine!
I hate libs
All famines under capitalism are a result of people failing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, so they don't count as real famines. The famines that occurred every single week in every single socialist country forever (killing a million billion people each time, I might add) were deliberately done by evil authoritarian dictators. Why would they deliberately starve their own people? Because they were just so evil that they would kill off their population for no reason or benefit! It's just like a baddie in the movies!
Also the Dust Bowl, which makes some pretty neat comparisons to annoy capitalist bootlickers with happening at the same time as the Soviet famines in the 1930s
I was gonna say that too, but wasn't sure of the cause of it. I seem to recall from my high quality American public education ™️ learning it was natural, but that was a long time ago, and all I actually remember now is Of Mice and Men. Some might say my skull is like a glove. And my brain is like petroleum jelly that an odd man soaks his hand in to keep it soft. Something something rabbits.
It was natural to some degree, but capitalist farming practices were definitely to blame.
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