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A while ago I talked about the Dutch socdem coalition Green/Labour and their party programme, which included a two state solution for Palestina, more money to NATO among other things.

Today the far right party FVD made their programme available, and it includes.... peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, deprofitization of healthcare, political asylum to Assange and Snowden (not Manning, though, she's trans after all), removal from EU and NATO.

MFW a far right party has LESS imperialist talking point than the 'hope of the left' lmao. Don't get me wrong, there's still fascist talks of anti-LGBTQ+ stuff and all. But fucking hell Dutch left get your shit together.

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[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's unfortunately common and has been going on for a while. As "left" parties abandon the class struggle or anti-imperialism the far-right picks it up. What differentiates socdem parties from liberal parties these days? At least the liberals are consistent. The socdems will stab you in the back and claim they're doing acupuncture. They have nothing special that sets them apart, they're like all other parties with the same policies (austerity is good for you sweaty 😊 type), they're just marginally better sometimes when they feel like it.

And it's a failure of communist parties in Europe too to have been coopted by this same milquetoast brain rot after 1991 and abandoning all revolutionary points. Now for the most part we serve to bring the socdems, who have bigger parties, back to the left when they want to liberalize something.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Had socdems yell at me because I am not going to vote on the Dutch Green/Labour coalition saying I'm some sort of traitor. Like, what point of me being against NATO don't you understand lol. 'Yeah but you have to sometimes make concessions you know!' Fuck off, maybe YOU should have some actual views for once .

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

https://nltimes.nl/2023/07/17/left-wing-parties-pvda-groenlinks-vote-team-november-election

Almost 92 percent of GroenLinks members voted in favor of teaming up with Labor. Over 87 percent of Labor members agreed with the proposal

LOL, it’s not even like the vote was contentious if I’m reading this right

[–] Weyland@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

They could just ignore NATO in their party programme, but no, instead they clamoured for more funding.