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Union Leader REFUSES To Endorse Biden And Media Loses It (youtu.be)
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[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can you even marginally support the dems if this is your ideology? So you don’t think people should organize around socialist concepts? what kind of anarcho-communist are you? because even if you decry all extant orgs as “statist” presumably you are organizing (if you actually are) with leftists… every socialists/communists/anarchists who I have organized with wouldn’t bristle at being called socialist in a casual context

Socialism and communism are terms without firm commonly understood meanings. I was using socialism as "on the path to stateless moneyless communism" - it's a way of using the state in more cooperative way vs an exploitative way, but it's still state oriented. As an anarchist, I'm not really that interested in promoting groups who want power. But I'm not really "against" people organizing in socialist contexts (I'm actually in the the DSA and RSA), again, I don't promote state power. I don't brisle at being called a socialist in a casual context. I would not call our conversation casual.

Also to be clear, as an anarchist, I vote because I'm also realistic and don't think a successful anarchist revolution is around the corner and I want my miinority and POC comrades to avoid the wrath of fascists while I work on furthering my goals in other ways.

The rest of your comment is full of insults, straw men, and other fallacies and I have to work.

[–] RollaD20@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't think that posting on a random forum is casual? Antagonistic sure, but also definitely casual. I use socialist in person all the time in order to get around sectarian bullshit in contexts that are much more formal than an online forum lmao.

You blunder into a room (full of minorities) to proselytize that everyone must vote for dems to support trans people and then dismiss a markedly anti-democratic and anti-trans action, deferring entirely to the singular authority of a man who you claim to be a detractor of. You use your 'anarchist creds' to attack the left with uncritical, ahistorical analysis, but won't criticize the establishment when there are quantifiable actions to criticize. You attack left orgs with basically zero institutional power for being pro-state whilst defending the literal US government. You resort to homophobic attacks to assume I am a useful idiot for foreign governments and perceived boogeyman and that I am no different from a Trump supporter. You don't even bother mentioning how dem support for literal nazis factors into your support. You don't respond to others who make compelling arguments against your tired points. Why the hell should I respond to you with anything other than dismissal?

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry for the necro reply, I've been away from Lemmy mostly.

deferring entirely to the singular authority of a man

Biden is not a dictator, I don't know why you'd say this.

You blunder into a room (full of minorities) to proselytize that everyone must vote for dems to support trans people

Are you assuming I'm a white man? Are you assuming your minority voice is more important than my minority voice (trans, gay, Mexican (daughter of immigrants), atheist, woman)? Why am I not allow to encourage people to vote for a candidate that has demonstrated support from trans people when the other choice has demonstrated contempt for trans people? Even if you think voting is pointless, you telling me I don't have the right to try to protect myself in a way that seems useful to me seems like a shitty attitude. What is your goal?

...you use your ‘anarchist creds’ to attack the left with uncritical, ahistorical analysis, but won’t criticize the establishment when there are quantifiable actions to criticize...

You think I'm an anarchist that won't criticize the establishment? You've assumed much in error. Anarchism is a criticism of the establishment, any establishment. Just because I didn't go into the atrocities of U.S. history in my comment you think I'm gung ho America? lol Get out of your bubble and realize there are more than Marxists and Liberals.

You resort to homophobic attacks

What? lol

and that I am no different from a Trump supporter

I see you as acting like a Trump supporter, yes. You follow rich powerful men that tell you some group is the problem, not them hoarding resources. The only real difference is that Marxists clearly have empathy while the right is based in a lack of empathy.

You don’t respond to others who make compelling arguments against your tired points

I have been away for a bit, but I've replied to most of y'all's tired points.

Why the hell should I respond to you with anything other than dismissal?

I don't mind if you don't respond, you do you.