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[–] apemint@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The sad part is, no matter how bad things will get, the same people will keep denying climate change. Even as their shoes melt into the pavement.

Looking at the past, I don't have any hope for meaningful change.
Just last year or so we've had people on their literal death beads denying corona is real.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Looking at the past, I don't have any hope for meaningful change.
Just last year or so we've had people on their literal death beads denying corona is real.

You're not even wrong. Even when people weren't denying the reality of the situation, so many still refused to do any of the measures designed to stop it, then blamed everyone else around them.

It wad a depressing time to see how rabid and divided people are that somehow the existence of a virus that was literally killing millions of people, and leaving even more crippled existed or not became a political game.

[–] CapitalismsRefugee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Last night my dad was talking about this "liberal propaganda" about the "supposed climate crisis" talking about the movie Don't Look Up. Fuck it pissed me off, I don't know how to respond to that. Conservatives aren't in reality, every fact that disagrees with their backwards fantasy is just some kind of liberal conspiracy that "wise" men would never bother considering.

[–] apemint@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's really messed up how the world can be reduced to binary opinions.

By definition, liberals think more freely and are willing to entertain new ideas. With that of course comes that some of those ideas turn out to be counter productive or straight up bad. Ideally, this is when real liberals acknowledge this and shift to something else.

Conservatives on the other hand see this as a sign of weakness and misguidedness, so they take a stance rooted in what they "know" to be true. When that knowledge turns out to be false, they can't simply pivot because that would make them the same as liberals.

Not to mention, sticking to your guns is so much easier than admitting you were wrong and starting from zero again.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Change my opinion and position as I get new information? What do you think I am? Some kind of woke liberal communist!? /s

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Genuinely. What's the point. There's no convincing them because any evidence you could convince them with they've already deemed invalid before they've even laid eyes on it.

They're "sceptics" in the worst way possible in that they don't apply that scepticism to themselves.

[–] 4am@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

They all think they figured the world out when they were just kids - and it shows.

[–] Erk@cdda.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There will be denial forever, but watch out now for the new propaganda trend, "it's too late to do anything". It feels woke and tends to be anticorporate in flavour, but it leads to the same end as denialism.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The problem with that is to a certain extent it is too late. What we were warned would happen decades ago if we didn't stop is already on our doorstep - climate distasters are getting worse by the year, and temperature records are being leapfrogged left and right.

The next few decades are likely gonna be rough no matter what we as individuals do, because the world's governments are too hesitant to make the drastic changes needed, and most companies won't life a finger until financial incentive comes about or they're made to.

We the people do have power, but many of us lack the time, resources, and/or money to greenify our lives in the ways that we really need to, on thr scale that we need to be doing now.

That's NOT to say however that we shouldn't do anything at all, that we shouldn't press our governments to do anything at all - as the saying goes:

The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today.

Even little gestures will help in the long, long term.

[–] apemint@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that the “it’s too late to do anything” mentality is just as bad as doing nothing, but at the same time I recognize that the scientific consensus is more and more leaning towards "it really is too late to do anything" in the short term at least.

Certain gears have been set in motion that we truly cannot stop, but there are also other things that we can prevent if we act now.

I just don't know where the line between the two lies.

The next 50 years or so are set in stone, of that I'm certain.
But after that, who knows whether the changes we make today will affect the climate in a meaningful way. One can only hope.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was always to late to do anything, because we live on a fractured planet where people who have destroyed it, and their bought off politicians, dictate that its okay to continue destroying it.

The only thing that will change anything is a violent global ww3 level revolution leading to a single world government that can do what needs to be done, and do it quickly, with the worlds entire resources at its disposal. and funding it all by seizing all the now dead billion/trillionaires money.

[–] Ponchy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if the majority of those people came to understand what was happening and truly believe the scientists, it'll already be at the point where saying "I was wrong all these years" comes about just too late

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Those types of people are so short sighted they can't see further than their nose, so of course they'll only see the problem when it's already here.

Many won't even concede that they were wrong, they'll blame the scientists for not stopping them.