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EU has done really well on passing big laws such as GDPR in the recent years, while the US can't even seem to decide whether to fund their own government. Why do you think Europe is doing better than the US? One would think that since EU is more diverse it would be harder to find common ground. And there were examples of that during the Greece debt crisis. But not anymore, it seems.

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[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It helps if you look at scale. The whole of the European Union has 448.4 million people living in it. The USA has 331.9 million people living in it. You'd think that this would make them similar given that the EU is made up of a confederation of sorts of 27 different countries and that could be compared to the US being a confederation of 50 states.

The problem with comparing them this way is that, for the most part each Country in the EU is still a sovereign nation. They have their own armies, their own GDP, their own trade deals, their own governing bodies. Their strength in being a union comes from the fact that they are sovereign nations who have banded together.

The states aren't sovereign nations. They'd like to pretend they are. But all their laws, all their provisions for public health, public safety, home land security, border control etc are beholden to the federal government and its two party system. Meaning their laws can be struck down as unconstitutional. They get funding from the federal government. Aid from the federal government. Social programs from the federal government. The federal government has a say in education, housing, the environment, natural disaster relief.

The EU isn't really set up with way. When Switzerland wants to pass a law, they're free and clear to do that no harm no foul. When the EU sets a goal (like GDPR) it's up to the countries involved to decide how to implement laws and policies that would allow for that goal to become reality. In the US it happens the opposite way. The federal government makes a law. Then the states create legislation within the bounds of it.

And the main answer is that it's harder to buy a bunch of different countries than it is a couple of senators.

We're talking about Economic Committee vs a whole Federal Government.

[-] Flipper@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We don't have our own trade deals. The EU makes all the trade deals for everyone to the outside and on the inside it's completely free trade. That was one of the points the UK wanted from the Brexit. To "great" success.

Switzerland can pass any law they are happy with. The are not part of the Union. They are only part of the trade federation and allow free travel. ~~But they are not part of Schengen either.~~ (I remembered that wrong.) It's complicated.

The rest is spot on.

[-] Bermos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Almost, Switzerland is also part of Schengen.

[-] Don_alForno@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying you're wrong but you're under some inaccurate assumptions about the EU.

As Trump had to learn, individual EU countries don't make their own trade deals (that would collide with the single market).

Our laws too can be struck down as not in line with EU law, as seen with Germany's attempt at highway tolls for example.

Also, there are different classes of EU legislation, most importantly directives and regulations. The former set a goal that the countries must achieve, but how they implement it is up to them. The latter do become law as soon as the EU passes them, there is no need for individual Parliaments to ratify them or "copy" them over to their national law. They often still do to avoid collisions, but it wouldn't be a requirement for the regulation to become effective.

And last but not least, Switzerland sadly is not a member.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well. I picked Switzerland on a whim. Substitute Finland or France or whatever.

There is still an assumption that GDPR and laws like it could be implemented in the US but companies count as entities that have rights and freedoms that cannot be infringed by the federal government here as well. Is that the case with the EU and its members?

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