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Moment Israeli airstrike hits Gaza tower block after Hamas attack – video
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Palestine strikes Israel: 22 dead (huge outcry) Israel strikes Palestine: 200 dead (nobody bats an eye)
Israel is a problematic subject with how imbalanced it is handled in media, resembling more propaganda than anything else.
Source for only 22 dead? Associated Press is reporting at least 250 people were killed and 1,500 wounded in Israel
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-rockets-airstrikes-tel-aviv-11fb98655c256d54ecb5329284fc37d2
According to the United Nations the number of injured and killed has been in imbalance for over a decade.
No party has been innocent in this conflict but I would lean on the side that retaliation and attacks from israel are far more deadly and damaging than from Palestine.
Looks like that was updated half an hour before the comment you replied to was made.
And earlier this afternoon 22 was the official count for Israeli deaths, 220ish Palestinians.
So Israel has updated their number, and it looks like Palestine hasn't.
That being said, both sides can pretty much say whatever right now. There's no way to know what it actually is, there's too much chaos for anyone to know.
By the time this escalation ends up, the number would be quite disproportional as ever. And I can tell you for certain on which side the civilian casualties would be at least two times higher, as usual and I am pretty certain you can guess too.
Not supporting Hamas or any civilian casualties here on both sides, but what Israel is usually doing is not exactly diffusing the tension and usually it makes things even worse.
And those are civilians.
That's because Hamas is a terrorist organization with the goal of exterminating Jews. The founding documents of Palestine calls for the killing of Jews and repurposing any land they occupied for setting up a Sharia caliphate. No matter how many times you falsely call it apartheid, that doesn't change. They want to kill all Jews.
How about the illegal occupier who runs an apartheid state?
As far as I'm concerned this conflict can stay on the other side of the world. Both sides seem pretty shitty in a lot of ways.
That being said, isn't what you described the same way that every country in existence came to be? One group of people kills or runs off enough of the people who lived there and then claims the land as their own. Sure it's shitty, but it's also pretty much universal. Why do people present Israel as unique in this sort of behavior? Or Palestinians as unique in their methods of defending their perceived homeland? We're all trying to impose modern Western morality on something that is inherently barbaric and lawless, namely war, and as previously stated, that thing is also the foundation of our own societies. It all seems so hypocritical.
Obviously we need to be critical about our own history, but with this line of thinking we literally couldn't condemn anything.
"Slavery? Genocide? Mass rapes? Authoritarian persecution? Oh well, that happened here as well at some point so I guess it's okay."
It's not about blame so much as the more practical question of where the hell these people are supposed to go. If Israel doesn't deserve the land because Palestinians lived there in the recent past then where are Israelis supposed to live? If Palestinians don't deserve the land because they couldn't defend it or whatever then where are they supposed to go?
We all sorted these questions out through violence when claiming our land centuries ago. It seems to me that by failing to allow that to happen here all we've really accomplished is dragging the process out for the better part of 100 years. Is that really a better or more moral outcome?