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Well it removes the "Palestinians are in an open air prison" arguement. Also gives armed forces less places to hide and if they choose to wipe out Hamas they can pull the "anyone who stays is a combatant" card.
There are civilians on both sides who just want to exist and get out of conflict - they need a chance.
TBA how well it goes.
Yeah, the problem is, how do you prevent Hamas militants from using these channels? It's not like anyone could expect them to abide by an agreement to not abuse a humanitarian program like that.
You probably cant stop Hamas from using these channels if they want out. We still have to try and provide safe passage for civilans.
Then the question becomes, safe passage to where? Israel isn't going to take them, neither is Egypt
West bank maybe?
Jordan might be willing to take some since they aren't WB refugees, KSA could potentially be talked into taking some, MBS would appreciate some demographic weight to press against the Wahhabis as he gets more aggressive about shirking them.
At this point, migrating them to the west bank and then just closing off the borders with Palestine would probably be best. Pull back the Israeli settlers, give Palestine any lands that are majority Palestinians, and just shut off contact with them. The two sides aren't going to come to a unified living situation in the next 100 years, so giving them plenty of space to be their own nation and treating them like any other nation would be best.
Here's where your plan falls apart. The settlers aren't a hardline third party causing trouble for the government, they're part of an intentional Israeli policy. They want them there, for the entire purpose of calling those areas "not Palestine".
For the purpose of social engineering. Having many people of same opinion bunched up creates an echo chamber and a fertile ground for extreme ideas. Integrate them with multiple ethnicities and problem is reduced. Many countries do the same thing with refugees, however in West Bank it's forced but seems to be working since there are fewer incidents.
The settlers aren't immigrants integrating with the Palestinians. They're Jewish-only communities following a semi-religious goal to expand the Jewish state, sometimes living in literal stolen homes. They have special roads only they're allowed to use and are frequently a source of violence against Palestinians, which is then backed up and protected by the military.
None of the Arab countries have really wanted Palestinian refugees historically. It's been a big issue, and what refugees they have accepted were mistreated historically
You can't, and its an unfortunate part of modern warfare - basic humanitarian actions that law-abiding states follow are not usually something op-for will also follow and it is a disadvantage. That does not mean we can't do it, only it is a cost our humanity demands.
One historically classic method of separating combatants, is women and children are allowed to leave. Men are not. It's not a perfect solution, but it would get the women and children out safely
In this case, it'll essentially be signing death sentence for all the men. It's a facet of sexism that's rarely addressed. Happened in Ukraine, probably gonna happen here as well.
Happens in America everything there is a draft. Happens I. South Korea and a bunch of other countries. Men don't matter to society unless they are rich
Patriarchy hurts everyone.
Dunno where you live but the usa is a matriachy.
How do you figure?
The laws all benefit women, support systems benefit women. Women have more rights than men.
Men don't have bodily autonomy in any state
So if men have bodily autonomy explain the draft. You know the thing every male has to sign up for at 18 in the United states ?
That is before ww get into paternity rights
They also loose autonomy as soon as a child is involved.
Had sex woth a girl and threw the condom in the trash. She fishes it out and uses it to impregnant herself. Too bad you owe child support for 18 years
Woman rapes you and she gets pregnant... to bad you owe child support. We're you a minor... lol don't matter your a man and have to pay child support.
Oh you were a trusting husband and now are being divorced. Guess what the child was never yours and you can't ever see them again... oh and you still pay child support !
You and your wife froze your sperm and her eggs. Got divorced? Too bad she is allowed to use your speem and you are on the hook for child support!
Can't afford the child support ? To bad off to jail . you sill man.
Let's not even get I to infant male genital mutilation.
If you loose the right over your body then you loose bodily autonomy. If you have to pay a fixed amount of money by law for another person then you no linger have a choice of what you can so with your own body because you have to keep making those payments
https://www.njdivorceonline.com/njpages/childsupport/childsupportenforcement.asp#:~:text=All%20states%20also%20have%20criminal,for%20up%20to%203%20years.
https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-support-enforcement
If, under the same circumstances, the child support payment is overdue for longer than 2 years, or the amount exceeds $10,000, the violation is a criminal felony, and convicted offenders face fines and up to 2 years in prison (See 18 U.S.C.§ 228(a)(3)).
Lastly, this statute prohibits individuals obligated to pay child support from crossing state lines or fleeing the country with the intent to avoid paying child support that has either been past due for more than 1 year or exceeds $5,000. (See 18 U.S.C. § 228(a)(2)). Any individual convicted of this crime may face up to 2 years in prison.
So yea you can be locked up for not paying child support even if the child isn't yours
You would think but men actually don't matter to usa's society.
Women have so many options pre/during/post pregnancy to legally not have a child. Men have no options
A good modified form of this is to let the women and children out, then establish a waiting facility for family reuniting, and seeking men specifically identified by the women and children.
Militants tend not to have spouses or kids to vouch for them, and if they have siblings or mothers to, said women will almost definitely be inclined towards keeping the som'bitches in line.
Last up, just screen all the men that are left and still willing to cooperate with the proceedings, by now just being willing to filter out that way is probably a sign they aren't militants since by that point the actual militants will probably have resolved to try for a last stand somewhere they think can be fortified.
The only real logistical hurdle is keeping everyone trying to cooperate orderly and not stir crazy, and for that the best solution is just bringing in as much food as is needed, maybe set up temporary communal facilities like schools and entertainment within the vouchers' settlement, have a clear destination picked out for any who don't care about going back as long as they can have peace (I hear dearborn is lovely this time of year) and have an ACoE division ready to marshall plan the shit out of any rubble that'll be left behind.
Boom, militants filtered, wannabe escapees relocated, and plenty of space made for who's left to move back into, probably with better infrastructure now too since the ACoE will probably be laying the works down just to get their own shit in and about, let alone everyone else's.
Turn it into a real weh antiok khosrau kinda deal, only not intended as a jab against a byzantine emperor.
A very very rough estimate for how long this would take would be just over two months to finish the "sorting" process, assuming you profess an average of 10k men every day. Which is certainly feasible with enough manpower dedicated to the effort.
because women and children cant be militants?
Gunpowder, explosive test every one of them in combination to profiling. Israel has the tech for that. Sure, some will slip but most will be found.
I’m gonna guess Egypt.
Honestly, after this all shakes out, I think Gaza might not exist anymore. To be clear, that’s not a statement of desire - I just think that that’s a very likely outcome at this point.
Probably Egypt
This is the right answer. They’ve bombed the evacuation point they were promoting, but that’s what they were saying.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/alarm-as-israel-again-hits-rafah-border-crossing-between-gaza-and-egypt
Egypt probably doesn't want a million refugees. No country would. This is becoming WW2 all over again.
The West Bank maybe?
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