I agree killing someone is wrong, even when they have committed a crime. The only time I think it’s acceptable is when it’s a life or death situation. But you’ll never convince me that it’s wrong to kill for food when that’s what the majority of animals do every single day.

Edit: I also disagree with many of the “facts” presented by your “article.” Describing the harvesting of honey as theft, completely disregarding home/hand raised chickens and the fact that infertile eggs will literally rot under the chicken.

[–] ambiguous_yelp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Animals do kill each other a lot, does that mean that we are justified in copying this behaviour? The animals that kill eachother either have no means to survive otherwise or have no rational capabliity to deduce that its wrong, I cannot reason with a lion but I hope I can reason with you. As it happens lions also eat their young and forced intercourse is the norm in the animal kingdom, are we justified in copying these acts because it's "natural" to do so? Furthermore even if we were to conclude that carnivores/omnivores are morally culpable for their killings how does that justify us killing cows, pigs and chickens that did nothing to harm us The actions of non-humans in the circumstances of non-humans have no bearing on the actions of humans in the circumstances of a modern human

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ugh I deleted that comment by mistake while editing it.

Let me ask you: Does the world currently have the ability to live 100% vegan? I’m not asking “will it ever be 100%” I am asking “can the entire populace live vegan?”

There are also major issues with your linked arguments. It seems to like to skirt around things with half truths. “Eggs are immoral because we kill the chickens” ignores the fact that many people have egg chickens, intending to just let them live and produce. There is no rule that says once a chicken stops producing it needs to be killed.

I’m not doing a deep dive. But when you are the one asking the questions, of course you’re going to have all the answers.

[–] ambiguous_yelp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

no not everyone can eat a plant based diet, but they can still avoid other animal products and testing

[–] Moose@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Plants are also living creatures, aren't you just drawing the line a bit further, and acting like its the only true way?

Why is it ok to harvest, kill, eat plants and not animals?

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago

I spent years fighting against veganism, and there was literally no valid argument against it beyond "I don't care, I'll eat animals anyway".

There's just nothing. Eating meat is bad for the planet, bad for the animals, and more often than not in western cultures bad for the human.

[–] ambiguous_yelp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

First of all I think that violence in self defense or survival is justified, plants have tropisms which means they have small hard coded responses to certain stimuli like leaning toward light, they do not have any form of sense processing thus no awareness no preference theyre an object

Even if you wanted to minimise the harm caused to plants, it takes far more plants to feed livestock to sustain an omnivorous diet

Debunking a myth: plant consciousness. Protoplasma 258, 459–476 https://doi.org/10.1007/s00709-020-01579-w

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is no scientific reason to assume that plants have the capability to suffer. And different scientists try again and again to look into that. But the cold hard truth is, to feel something you need a somewhat complex nervous centrum that plants simply don't have. The same is true for microorganisms and many other simple lifeforms, btw.

Pigs, cows, chickens, even fish experience pain, stress, fear, etc. very similar to how we experience it. And we people know that, that's why many countries have laws against animal cruelty.

[–] debil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If you're concerned about plants, that's a good reason for going vegan.

[–] ambiguous_yelp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

to "buy" a laying hen you are almost certainly going to be buying from a breeder that kills the male chicks