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For those wondering, this 2000 figure comes from... The Gaza ministry of health (specifically, a nonprofit citing the ministry of health), notable for fabricating a hospital bombing just last week where supposedly 500-870 people died (which is also turning out to almost certainly be a lie)
What? While the number of casualties is certainly dubious, the bombing was not fabricated. There were many families taking "shelter" (if you can call it that) in the hospital's parking lot.
Wasn't it a failed rocket by a separate terrorist group?
I thought the initial claims by Israel was that Hamas bombed their own (on purpose) while Hamas blamed Israel initially. Or did I get my info wrong?
The reports indicate the rocket was launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a more extremist group seperate from Hamas, but who's basically Hamas with much less power and effectiveness (they fail a lot). It's true that Hamas blamed Israel, and that Israel showed satellite images indicating it's a failed rocket from PIJ. Photos also show that it mainly hurt the parking lot (and without a crater, typical of Israeli ammunition) which means for 500 to be dead, there'd need to be a lot of people in that parking lot for some reason.
Basically Hamas lied. But they're a terrorist organization, every chance of shock and terror is a win for them.
Reports (Doppler sound analysis and crater analysis) show that it came from the direction of Israel. There isn't any video of a rocket turning around so idk how it could have been a pij rocket.
Both sides are doing a lot of lying tho, we need an independent investigation on the ground there to really figure out what happened, but Israel opposed that.
Uh can you cite any of that "Doppler sound analysis and crater analysis"? Because from what I've seen so far, the damage, crater, and footage are all wildly inconsistent with an Israeli munition, and it's a known fact that this point that militants were firing rockets nearby.
Here's the Doppler analysis: https://twitter.com/earshot_ngo/status/1715381907230232929?t=ThRPeh4fxC8c_uIbLJAWNQ&s=19
Here's the crater analysis: https://twitter.com/ForensicArchi/status/1715422498852843574?t=wRAbOY1NPlRu4fx5gJ_Qzg&s=19
And the rocket thing doesn't make any sense, the rocket would have had to turn 180 degrees in the air in order to line up with the direction, and we don't see that in any videos. On top of that, the New York times did an analysis of the footage Israel presented and showed that they were lying about the rocket, it didn't get intercepted/malfunction over the hospital. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html?smid=url-share
So what we know is that the projectile came from Israels direction, the crater lines up with either a rocket or an artillery shell. We also know that Israel initially claimed the attack before deleting those messages, and most of the evidence they've presented has been proven to be lies. It's not definitely Israel, but circumstantial evidence points towards them.