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Both Ukraine and Palestine are fighting against an invading force. We can unanimously agree that Palestinians have have been illegally occupied in an open air prison/concentration camp for 75 years. And we seem to agree that Palestine cannot be a perfect victim and it is reasonable that they seek support in Hamas instead of their Israeli oppressors.

Now why can't the same logic be applied to Ukraine? There is absolutely a nazi problem in Ukraine. A nazi problem that needs to be wiped out. But Russia isnt trying to denazify Ukraine, they're trying to maintain borders and resist NATO. But while doing so they are indiscriminately killing civilians and are the aggressors.

Personally, I believe in what Norman Finkelstein has to say about Hezbollah and the red army. Both are not perfect, but I don't care about their politics. I care that they are a resisting force and believe a country should have the right to self determination.

So how are these situations diametrically opposed that you seem to be hostile towards Ukraine but supportive of Palestine?

I don't mean to come off as shaming or judgemental. I genuinely would like to hear your perspective.

Edit: I appreciate all of the thoughtful and patient responses. Even though I might not respond to everything here I am reading all of it. I was operating under a lack of information, which I've never seen any Western media source report on. Ever since leaving reddit, hexbear has been a great source of alternative perspectives and context. It's opened my eyes to a lot of how I've been misled by papers that I've trusted.

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the palestinian resistance, and indeed the palestinian people, do not want "peace." what they want, and what they deserve, is liberation, that is, freedom of movement, the right of return, economic security, and real political representation. the "peaceful" occupation of palestine means the destruction of palestinian villages by settlers, IDF patrols and checkpoints, starvation and disease caused by blockades and rationing of food, water, and medicine, and within "Israel," relegation to second-class citizenship and legal eviction from their homes.

ukrainians want peace. they want a return to being a mostly functional country in which they can live and move freely, an option which has never been offered to palestinians. this will be achieved by ending the war, which will be achieved by diplomacy, not more weapons. the continuation of the war is being forced on the working class by the apathetic governments of both sides and the meddling moneymen of the imperialist west.