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What topics have you taken a 180° turn on? (lemmygrad.ml)
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My family are mostly Democrat voting liberals and I identified as one for years. When I was in 5th grade I spent more time with my Fox News-watching grandparents and became a Republican for like a year or 2 and became an apolitical lib for a while. From like 2015-2019 I was a Bernie bro who had some objectively shit takes. The biggest 180 I did was probably on the sex trade. I used to be for it as a horny teen like “huh? Did someone say SeX?? Well it’s all ConSeNsUAL so why cockblock someone from getting some PuSsY?” Obviously now I realize that’s a disgusting sentiment and that most people in the industry are not happy and would rather do anything else. Just because a few are happy with their line of work, it doesn’t make it right to force so many others into a position where they feel abused and humiliated or threatened. “Legitimacy of industry” in terms of prostitution always means lining the pockets of abusive pimps (physical or anything else) who will use the opportunity to get rich and usually fund illegal markets (source: Look at Nevada). Enough about me, what topics have become more clear to yall after becoming a communist? I could probably list a few others but I’m interested in seeing what yall say.

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[–] JK1348@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I respect all sex workers But the economy of sex work is something I've had a complete 180 on. It's not an industry that should be enabled under the current capitalist parameters.

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Same. I used to think this is simply, "sex workers are the ones carrying all the risk and harm, so only their opinion matters. sex worker organisations call for full decriminalisation. /thread"

Until I learned decriminalisation of sex work in the first world leads to increased human trafficking from the Global South: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X12001453#s0045

To put it bluntly, brown women who would otherwise lead their normal lives, are kindapped and smuggled to be raped by white men, in large numbers, whenever a first world country decriminalises prostitution.

This works both ways - criminalising prostitution reduces human trafficking, as shown above in the case study.

People trafficked from the Global South are completely marginalised and poweless, they don't have a voice. The voices we hear, calling for decriminalisation, are mostly from self employed Westerners. And while I genuinely do care about their right to safer work conditions, for me it doesn't trump the right of brown women to not be kidnapped and raped by white men.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the policy under capitalism should be complete decriminalization of the actual workers but harsh punishment for Johns and pimps.

[–] ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I couldn’t agree more. It reminds me of a liberal take I saw where they suggested making weed fully illegal and prostitution legal. They posited that weed dealers are worse for society because you can just avoid a prostitute but friends may offer to sell weed. The weed dealers certainly aren’t GOOD. But at least they don’t exploit a person for money and they don’t usually siphon that profit into skeevier and more dangerous black markets. Pimps do BOTH of those things and somehow someway libs and even misguided lefties try to make prostitution into a good societal practice. I’ve also heard the argument that “it’s one of the oldest professions on Earth” and so is monarchy, so are mercenaries. That doesn’t make these professions more honorable or less. It’s what the institution stands for as a whole and prostitution takes vulnerable people in any given society, exploits their lack of opportunities and resources and forces them into an environment that is not good for their health in any ways. Sorry for the rant, Ik we’re all on the same side here but the mere EXISTENCE of that industry, let alone the concept of people outside of that industry defending it just enrages me to no end.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They posited that weed dealers are worse for society because you can just avoid a prostitute but friends may offer to sell weed.

With marijuana legalized it won’t be your friend selling it but some massive corporation. My semi-ironic anti legalization take is that legalization takes weed selling from an industry of small business owners that helps them get by to an industry of massive corporations (who tend to have whiter owners). Of course we should legalize so the small sellers don’t go to jail for nothing. The other anti-legalization argument I have is that the legalized industry as it exists is environmentally destructive, though that calls for nationalization and regulation.

One of the worst prostitution takes I’ve seen is that it’s needed to stop incelism. Why do “sexologists” always have to start with half decent takes and take them to the total extreme?

I’ve also heard the argument that “it’s one of the oldest professions on Earth”

It’s not even true though. What about farming or crafting? In many places sex used to be “freer” and uncommodified.

Sorry for the rant, Ik we’re all on the same side here but the mere EXISTENCE of that industry, let alone the concept of people outside of that industry defending it just enrages me to no end.

Totally agree

[–] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

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[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Of course! Sex workers should be provided all the care and support they need to get out of the abusive situation.

[–] JK1348@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dated someone back home in Central America very briefly and she told me about the sex tourism and how they use minors to cater to pedo $.

Most of these man start by offering to fly them back to their country, that's a pedophile power dynamic, where you take a young child out of their home country and somewhere they don't know nothing of, they solely have to rely on this pedo.

I do believe sex workers at the end of the day will be the ones to decide what happens outside of capitalist parameters, but the sex work industry right now under capitalism is filled with sex trafficking, because they're really one in the same.