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[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Lemme give you a very small concrete example where reduced consumption will not alter the quality of life.

Take a small neighbourhood, maybe 10ish families there. Everybody in that neighbourhood has basic tools that they use maybe once a month or less. Hammers, screwdrivers, spanners, etc. Instead of each family having those tools, have a tool library where you have 2-3 of each tool. Anyone in the neighbourhood can borrow the tools they need when they need them and give them back when done. Congratulations, you've reduced tool consumption by 70-80% with no downsides.

This is just one small example, but there are methods for more efficiently allocating resources within communities.

[–] huge_clock@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nothing about capitalism prevents you from doing this. I just looked online and there are multiple apps that let you do this. It’s just a hammer is a relatively inconsequential purchase and fairly cheap. It might take $5 in gas and $20 in lost wages just to save the materials in a $10 tool. Not too mention the administration required to maintain this system. Car sharing though and parking share have become popular though.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You decrease quality of life by increasing travel time and resistance to getting the tools, plus rarely not being able to use a tool because it's in use. But it is an efficiency improvement. Same idea with gymns, everyone can share one place instead of duplicating resources. But then you need to make sure everything gets put away and you need to keep the lights on, so you need to charge for it. All that works under normal markets. It's just not as good as ideal because people take advantage of each other. We need more oversight to minimize that, but I don't think it means throwing out the system.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think walking 1 minute to a library inside your immediate vicinity qualifies as a reduction in QoL. Fair point on the potential very unlikely case of 5 people all needing a screwdriver at the same time, but that can be solved by buying 1-2 extra screwdrivers.

I went to this example specifically because I thought it was not controversial and low-hanging fruit. Nobody is talking about throwing out the system. Book libraries exist, and they haven't caused the downfall of modern civilization. All I'm trying to say here is that even in the context of our modern capitalist reality, there are ways of reducing consumption without any aggreived parties that we're just not doing.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have seen what other people do to communal tools. I bought my own tools because I know they will function and actually exist every time I need them.

I will not stop you from sharing tools, don’t stop me from using the fruits of my labor to buy my own tools.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have seen what other people do to communal tools.

Could you elaborate a bit on that? I used to be part of a maker space and the tools were generally well cared for, and members normally donated anything we were missing

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The biggest thing is tools just going missing. Joe brings it home to work on whatever and never brings it back. It's pretty common with hand tools if people are allowed to bring them to their homes.

Other common problems are people not caring for stuff properly. Not changing the oil on lawn mowers, for example.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All that means is that you need a robust maintenance and tracking / checkout system.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

I already have a robust maintenance and tracking system. The tools live on a specific shelf and they return to that shelf when unused. When spring rolls around, the lawn mower is getting its oil changed too.

As I said, I won't prevent you from using communal tools, don't prevent me from using the fruits of my labor to purchase my own tools. One would think we could agree that is a fair system to all.