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Why put the Black Panthers in here? 🤨
The Black Panther platform, as I understand it, was:
The Juche platform is:
They were on amicable terms with each other
The Black Panthers were complimentary of the DPRK, and had warm relations with them:
https://archive.ph/QYo19
I don't think your quote is a summary that really shows what the BPP might've liked about Juche:
(On the Juche Idea - Kim Jong-Il p7)
I italicized the bit that stood out to me as most like the BPP.
The DPRK is mostly viewed pretty well here, btw. It's not an insult or a smear to align the Black Panthers with them. It's a compliment.
Why is that?
Sure, send me some threads if you're okay with that. I'm not looking for argument if you don't want it, but I definitely don't agree out of the gate with your assertion. I've read negative stories about the DPRK in all kinds of journalistic outlets that aren't anonymous and that I wouldn't expect to be CIA-influenced.
There are countries where I would 100% agree with your assessment of where the blame lies for their situation (Cuba is probably the prime example), but North Korea isn't one of them. Send me the source threads, I'm curious.
I meant that they're anonymously sourced, which is very often the case. It might be in the NYT, but it just says "anonymous sources say..."
Like we've all seen this one: https://www.newsweek.com/kim-jong-un-firing-squad-conductor-1590226
But the only source is "A South Korean newspaper". When I tried to find the original article I wasn't able to.
This random article I've found is full of sourced, factual statements. But all the sources are anonymous: https://www.donga.com/en/Search/article/all/20230612/4217131/1
"a government official" "a senior member"
I think you'd be surprise how far the CIA admits to extending. Radio Free Asia is often sourced in anti-China and anti-DPRK news, and they're publicly linked with the CIA.
I hope you don't mind a link dump! There's been a bunch of threads about it over on reddit:
Videos and podcasts: https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateCommunism/comments/lpdjjc/comment/gob7ow4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Some basic text answers about the DPRK: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktankies/comments/te2dyd/do_most_communists_actually_support_the_dprk/
Prolewiki with a basic overview of the DPRK: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Democratic_People%27s_Republic_of_Korea
Archived megathread of links from r/communism: https://web.archive.org/web/20200118135128/https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cc42bl/dprk_megathread_part_2/
If you watch just one of the documentaries, Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang is pretty good. This is a shitload of links, so I understand it if you don't check most of it out!
I’m guessing you’re referring to defectors. Many people left in 90’s because of legitimately bad conditions thanks to sanctions and the fall of the USSR. When they go into South Korea they are put into camps where they check if the defectors are spies and then try to brainwash them against communism and against their former leaders. Then once they are free they are often paid large amounts of money to tell (and exaggerate) their story of escape. The more crazy and horrible the story the more they get paid. A decent amount of people want to go back, but the SK government won’t let them. For more information watch ‘Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seol’ which someone already linked.
If you post some links, we can dig into them. Again, not in an argumentative way (insofar as it's possible with a topic so spicy).
I think the Panthers and the DPRK end up getting mentioned in the same breath a lot because of the communications they shared; though nothing I've studied ever suggested they outright adopted Juche. If someone's got like-- hard and fast recollection that's stored somewhere that they did, though; I'd very much like to see it if only for completion of my own understanding.