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Israeli PM said to have turned down proposal in early talks and continues to take tough line

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A two-state solution was viable before Israel settled people in the middle of the west bank.

As an intentional tactic of Zionist settlers, it is now impossible to have a defensible border.

The only way forward now is to end apartheid and give full rights to the civilians living in the West Bank and Gaza.

Zionists will claim this “destroys Israel” or other nonsense we heard from South African defenders of apartheid.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Didn't Israel remove all Gaza settlements in 2005? Seems like they could do the same for the West Bank. And why would that be needed for an independent Gaza?

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Israeli Zionists would rather genocide Palestinians than give up their West Bank settlements.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would also be in favor of ending racist government policies and giving full rights and protections to Palestinians, but that is really difficult with the terrorist actions.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's saying "the beatings will continue until morale improves".

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's an escalation ladder, both sides need to deescalate together to lower hostilities.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Saying “both sides” is siding with the oppressor.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they're literally both oppressors

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

GTFO with false equivalence between a democratically elected government with nuclear weapons, backed by the USA, and the terrorist band they’re propping up as a preferred enemy to undercut peaceful leadership.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible.

I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance.