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I dropped Spanish which was the only language offered during my high school years. I regret it, and now I'm embarrassed to start learning as a uni-aged guy. I want to learn Mandarin because then I would know English and Mandarin which would cover like 50% of the populations speaking abilities.

Basically I just feel like a dumb American and being a Marxist I need to know another language.

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[โ€“] WestwardWind@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you've got the big monies and like gamified learning go with Pimsleur over Duolingo. For any language but especially learning Asian languages as an English speaker. Duolingo is shit at them. Over 4 months of daily usage for Japanese, while living full time in Japan, and it's still quizzing me on teriyaki and sushi. Did a single free Pimsleur lesson and learned more actual conversation and grammar than I've gotten in Duolingo this year.

Or ๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ the older workbooks and audio lessons instead of the app. It was originally a CIA program so it's not like American money didn't already pay for it. Their Spanish ones were quite good

[โ€“] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In that vein, there's always the old FSI courses. Designed to get US diplomats fluent as fast as possible. People say good things about them. It's all audio, though, I think. So it depends what you like. Not sure if there's a Japanese course.

[โ€“] Giyuu@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, listening is probably the most important part of learning a foreign language (for most learners) and perhaps requires the most time to develop. In every day life, listening and thus conversation/exchanges requires instant comprehension, and that's also a huge part of how we form social connections/associations with each other. With reading you can generally take your time to digest things.

[โ€“] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Strongly agree. The accent has to be just right for me, though. Otherwise I can't put my ears through it. That's why I like listening-reading. I go by content and accent, and get 7โ€“35+ hours with a voice that I can listen endlessly to.

[โ€“] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Agreed, Duolingo might help with absolute basics, but it's not great for Japanese. For Japanese kanji, I'd recommend an SRS like WaniKani (or an Anki deck if you don't have the big monies).