The police in Berlin said they had blocked over half of the 41 scheduled Gaza solidarity protests, sometimes on the grounds that they would “emotionalize” residents of Palestinian origin. These included a children’s demonstration to mourn the Palestinian children killed by Israeli strikes in the past month. Permitted protests were banned from using slogans such as “stop the war” and “free Palestine.”

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[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t get it. From what I can remember from history classes and reading Wikipedia (so not ideal sources!) the victims of the holocaust numbered some c.6million Jews out of the c.14m total victims including, amongst others, c.7.8m soviet pows and civilians.

Surely what Germany should have guilt for is its genocide against humans, not specifically just its treatment of Jews. So unless we’re saying the treatment of communist, Slavic, Romani, gay and disabled people etc by nazi Germany was not such a bad thing actually and it’s just the Jews that Germany regrets killing (and surely we are not saying that!?) then it would seem to me that Germany should be speaking out against any and all genocide, including that of Palestinians?

I’m legitimately confused about this point of view.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

"The Holocaust" usually refers specifically to the killing of Jews and not the broader genocide, though this varies. It is also worth noting that about 1 million Jews were killed on the eastern front and are correctly counted as part of the 6 million, but overall if anything you are probably lowballing non-Jewish victims.

I think part of the reason for Jews being a focus of the discussion is that they were the face of the vilification and the Nazis went to incredible lengths to capture or kill every Jewish person they possibly could in the territory they controlled, both in relatively stabley-held civil society and recently taken-over military conquests, which is pretty unusual compared to other genocides. Jews were also far and away one of the most brutally killed and persecuted on a per capita basis compared to other groups (though I think Romani were in a similar boat there but Europe just hates them).

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It's complicated, I wouldn't use the historical part here before 45. Germany is since the Marshall-Plan deep in the hands of US politics. If Palestines are not allowed to demonstrate in the US, then it's not allowed in Germany.

Any critism about Israel-poltics from Germany would be attacked with antisemitism.

This conflict is highly complicated for Germany, foreign minister baerbocks abstention at the UN resolution earned hard critics from Israel, but German people approved this decision because it shows the inner conflict between pro Israel and against a genocide. It looks like both isn't possible anymore. And the USA should decide quickly, germany would follow as always.