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Okay, so can someone please give me an unbiased truth of who's the good guy and who's the bad guy between Israel and palestine? Every bit of news and meme and comment I see has opposing perspectives. What is the truth here?
Palestinians and Israelis are for the most part good people, Hamas and Israel (the State) are both bad guys. With Israel's reaction more and more Palestinians will join Hamas (just like killing hundreds of thousands in the middle East didn't solve anything after 3000 Americans died on 9/11 and it even made things worse) and the more people join Hamas and attack Israelis, the more of them are ready to join Israel's army.
In the end no one wins.
Except all Israelis have to serve in the IDF or they face jail time. The only Jews in Israel that don't have to serve are the ultra orthodox Jews who are the ones that are the most devout Zionists. The situation over there is extraordinarily fucked.
They have their mandatory military service but as far as I know there's no ~~conscription~~ draft at the moment (but I might be mistaken on that).
Mandatory military service = Conscription
~~No, one is required service for a set amount of time no matter if the country is at peace or at war, the other is when people that aren't in service get called to take part in a war effort.~~
Turns out in English I should have used "draft" instead
You're all good english is fuckey
Yeah I know the word exists in both French and English and I expected it to have the same meaning, in French if you're talking about a conscription people would definitely know you're talking about war time.
Window dressing distraction from Ukraine anyway. Seems to be working.
Well, both conflicts are atrocious and deserve attention, but yes all the attention is on Palestine instead of being split between the two and that's an issue!
Its all about the power dynamics, Israel has all the power and can end the conflict at anytime and seek peace. They are also an ethnostate where nonjews are second class citizens. There needs to be a 2 state solution where Palestinians have independence and freedom from the yok of the Israelis or a 1 state solution where both sides have equal political liberties. The Hamas attack happened because of the stranglehold Israel has over the Palestinian people and the Israeli response was to strangle even harder. I dont support Hamas, but Israel has actively supported them by refusing to allow Palestinians the agency to be their own state and continueing to steal their land in the West Bank with Illegal Settlements. Israel has murdered a magnitude more Palestinians than than Hamas killed on their attack. Israel had also been treating Palestinians horribly for decades before this attack and its only gotten worse.
The vast majority of Israelies and Palestinians are good people just trying to live their lives.
The leadership of both are the bad guys.
Thank you for explaining. This is a logical explanation and I will accept this one.