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[–] Stamets@startrek.website 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don’t have a problem with anything else you said there, but I do have a problem with this level of argument, which essentially claims that “if you think differently from me, you’re stupid and your sources are evil”.

No. It is not. It is saying what I said. If you are coming at this from a place of genuine ignorance then no one is going to be upset. You do not get to say "it is unconvincing" when the thing you're claiming is unconvincing simply didn't exist. I'm going to ask you this once. Do not shove words into other peoples throats and assume what they are saying. As for clarification. I am not appreciative of having a stance forced on me that I did not make at any point. The only thing you could try and argue that for (and fail the argument of) is the bit about false information from bigots. You are conflating me saying bigots with everyone who is confused by the situation. That is a you problem. Not a me problem. i'm not saying that everyone is confused or ignorant is a bigot. I am specifically saying that bigots are bigots. If you have an issue with that then you need to look internally before you start accusing others of anything.

The thing that gives me doubt is that we are clearly seeing increased levels of mental problems in young people due to smart device and social media use. This was made worse by Covid.

And? Completely and utterly irrelevant to the situation at hand unless you're trying to argue that being transgendered is a mental illness. That would be transphobia and would result in you gaining a permanent ban from this community and likely from the instance as a whole, as others in this thread have discovered. That isn't a threat. It is a fact. I'm not trying to muscle you or overpower you or be big boss man. I'm trying to say that the behavior is repugnant because it isn't true and pushes a genuinely dangerous narrative that puts others in harms way. For that reason, it is completely unacceptable.

And there’s a correlation between mental problems and transgenderism.

Yes. There is also a correlation between skirt length and the strength of the economy. However, it is completely worthless information that is not of any value to anyone as correlation does not equal causation. Ever think that the reason that trans folks are dealing with higher than normal levels of depression, anxiety and other levels of mental health issues are because of people who keep conflating being trans with having a mental disorder? They have mental health issues because people keep giving them mental health issues by not allowing them to exist. Here's a shocker but kids who are actually listened to as a kid and brought up healthily as a trans kid and provided that gender affirming care I mentioned before? They end up having lower levels of mental health problems. Why? Because they had a stable support network of parents who listened to them and cared about them instead of trying to force their child to be something else because of their own mistaken beliefs on something they don't understand.

So what I’m really after is trying to protect my kids from unnecessary harm,

Your feelings are irrelevant. You want to protect your kids? Then let your kids be themselves and stop trying to enforce and impose things upon them that are causing more damage than them being trans ever has.

and I feel like I need truth to do that, and I feel like I’m not getting that.

Your feelings do not matter. I don't like the fact that the world sucks and I'm going to die younger than I should because of health problems but tough titties. The world is the way that it is. What you feel is the truth does not matter. The truth is the truth. Pull your head out of your ass. Start listening to people who proven in their field and have the medical science to back it up and who are supported by the majority in their field, not the minority who claim nonsense. Vaccines don't cause autism and being trans isn't a mental health disorder. Why? Because there is no evidence for it but there is a vast amount of evidence from people who have demonstrated, time and time again, that the people who keep saying "they don't feel like it's true" are dead wrong.