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Why would I need to read your mind to know whether you've mischaracterized me? You're not making any sense.
Anyways, you have done so twice, I've patiently explained how, and you have yet to engage with what I've said there. Please consider doing so before continuing this discussion.
You're confusing disagreement with mischaracterization. I can't have been more clear that my position is not "don't learn from other orgs". There's nothing in what I've said that can be called, "hey don't listen to other (Western) orgs". I've explicitly stated that it's not and have literally used examples drawn from other orgs. Yet you persisted in this straw manning.
I invite you to engage with the substance of what I have said and to please avoid these defensive behaviors. While I am very patient, most people are not, and these behaviors would be very off-putting to them.
Please use this opportunity to ask yourself whether you're paying sufficient attention to what I've said.
"Why would I need to read your mind to know whether you've mischaracterized me? You're not making any sense."
Uh, because I know that I haven't?
"You're confusing disagreement with mischaracterization."
Uh, that applies to you.
"I invite you to engage with the substance of what I have said and to please avoid these defensive behaviors. While I am very patient, most people are not, and these behaviors would be very off-putting to them."
But you haven't even engaged with the substance of my posts.
"Please use this opportunity to ask yourself whether you're paying sufficient attention to what I've said."
I've already said that I'm without ADHD medication.
This is getting very silly. You claimed or implied, twice, that I'm suggesting not listening to (Western) organizations, generally. It's basically all you said in response, in fact, despite me writing several paragraphs explaining what I mean and am actually recommending. Your replies did not apply to what I said and I've explained why. I'll avoid trying to figure out why you'd rather die on this hill than listen to and engage with a patient comrade.
If this is just turning into a childish "no that's you" thing, where you don't even deign to explain how, I will have to disengage. I know what defensive tu quoque looks like lol.
The absolute gall to say this.
So it is going to be that way...
You actually didn't. However, as someone who also has ADHD I know that does not excuse uncomradely behavior. If you're not ready to pay attention to what someone is saying, responding with dismissive certainty will only dig holes you'll have trouble getting out of and will probably alienate the people you're trying to bring to your position. You can do whatever you'd like to, of course, but I'd prefer that you had fruitful engagements with others, especially to the extent that it advances socialism.
I will not be replying further in this thread. Please feel free to let me know if you are interested in and ready to discuss strategy or organizing in the future, though.
You really didn't answer my points. Good bye, ig