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The media won't give me great answers to this question and I think this I trust this community more, thus I want to know from you. Also, I have heard reports that Russia was winning the war, if that's true, did the west miscalculate the situation by allowing diplomacy to take a backseat and allowing Ukraine to a large plethora of military resources?

PS: I realize there are many casualties on both sides and I am not trying to downplay the suffering, but I am curious as to how it is going for Ukraine. Right now I am hearing ever louder calls of Russia winning, those have existed forever, but they seem to have grown louder now, so I was wondering what you thought about it. Also, I am somewhat concerned of allowing a dictatorship to just erase at it's convenience a free and democratic country.

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[-] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

Right now I am hearing ever louder calls of Russia winning

Winning was taking over the county at first. Then it was kherson, and donbass, crimea, and a few others. Now it's just like 3 areas. If you're hearing anything about winning it's because the goal posts are moving.

Youtuber Perun had some good high level takes on the war. It all boils down to Western support will win. As long as support keeps coming from the rest of the world, eventually Russia will run out of material. WW2 was won (not wholly, but in large part) due to the larger economy being on the allies side.

[-] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 11 months ago

The absurd claims of Russia's goals are all from western propaganda. This is from the day of the invasion: https://www.rt.com/russia/550466-putin-ukraine-opeartion-goals/ What are their goals?

  • Demilitarise Ukraine -- This is a huge task, but they're making fast progress.
  • Denazify Ukraine -- They're failing this task, but it's something that can't be done until after the war anyway.
  • Create a buffer between a NATO-member-Ukraine and Russia -- Incorporating Donbas might satisfy this goal.
  • Stop the sieges on Donetsk and Lugansk -- This goal has been met.

And then they clarify, denazification is optional. A general occupation of Ukraine is not their plan.

If there is more land they want to occupy, then occupying and holding it now doesn't actually further that goal. The only thing holding it now is good for is protecting the civilians or using it strategically, either industrially or for staging. Because if the country is successfully demilitarised, Ukraine won't be able to resist occupation, so that land can be taken later for cheaper. But they haven't outlined a goal of taking additional land. Crimea was already incorporated at the time, so that's an extra implied goal -- Don't lose Russian land.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Do provide us with sources where Russians stated these were the goals. Seems like it's western propagandists who've been making up goals for Russia and then moving the goal posts.

[-] Kepabar@startrek.website -1 points 11 months ago

Do I need sources for the failed invasion of Kyiv?

Everyone knows about it.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I need sources for the fantastical claim that Russia was trying to take Kyiv with 100k troops. It's a particularly interesting claim given that they allocated 40k troops to take Mariupol which is an order of magnitude smaller city. A far more plausible scenario is that Russia used 100k troops to fix a chunk of Ukrainian army around Kyiv while Russians took large parts of Ukrainian territory in the east which they still hold today.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

The paratroopers in Kyiv's airport were just taking in the scenery. Really unfortunate that they were shot. And that 50 km tank column headed for Kyiv really was just lost on its way to Mariupol. Yep, exactly, that's what happened.

Lmao what a lame-ass trolling attempt, you have mush for brains if you think this is either effective propaganda or... funny?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 11 months ago

The only one with mush for brains is the guy who thinks Russia would be trying to take Kyiv with 100k troops. The fact that you don't even understand why that's absurd makes it all the more hilarious.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 11 months ago

Perun

Garbage NATO propaganda channel, about as reliable to give you an honest summary of what is happening as listening to the Ukrainian government itself.

WW2 was won (not wholly, but in large part) due to the larger economy being on the allies side

On the Soviet's side*, 80% of Germany's casualties were in the Eastern Front.

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