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[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would hurt the Democrats to have a non-incumbent

If Biden were not on the ballot next year, the Democratic candidate would be Kamala Harris. No mainstream Democrat would challenge her in 2024, the optics would be horrible.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mmm, I doubt it, even other dems don't like her very much right now

I'd want Gretchen Whitmer to go for it,

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't really matter if she is well liked, no other Democrat will challenge her in 2024. For starters, it is too late to get on the primary ballot.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel like in most cases "the incumbent croaked" would suffice as an excuse to get some names on the board, also, maybe Kamala turns out to be the second coming of LBJ, so we'll get some pretty good social programs everyone's gonna forget about eventually, some significant expansions in civil rights, but also entanglement in an unpopular conflict, venturing a guess I'll say defending Somalia Eritrea and Djibouti from invasion by Ethiopia.

Israel is unpopular enough, but being on the side of a dictatorship and a failed state that tries to force its control onto a breakaway that self governs at least better than its former fellow countrymen, all in the name of international law and order, feels like the kind of conflict Kamala would be involved in, and that folks would have misgivings over, most because "why are we sending our troops to defend a dictator?" and that select group everyone loves spouting off how you should withold from voting over it because something something respecting national sovereignty as well as the clear results in favor of independence in a fair referendum run by Ethiopia is colonialism just like how not letting Russia eat neighbors because something something little russians is colonialism.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I feel like in most cases "the incumbent croaked" would suffice as an excuse

Primaries aren't run by excuses, they are run by rules. There are state laws regarding who can get on a ballot, Biden/Harris qualified, and Whitmer did not. Which means that when the primaries roll around, Biden/Harris will be on the state ballots, and Whitmer won't. Which means that throughout the primary season, Biden/Harris will be racking up delegates who are loyal to Biden/Harris.

If anything happens to Biden at this point, his delegates will vote for Harris at the nominating convention. Why? Because they were chosen specifically for that purpose. You only get to be a primary delegate for Biden/Harris 2024 if you are a strong supporter of both Biden and Harris. Specifically if you support them a lot more than Whitmer, Newsom, etc. If you have doubts about either Biden or Harris, then the Biden/Harris campaign will find someone else to be a delegate. All this means Whitmer has no chance at becoming the nominee as long as Harris is still around.

As for the rest: yes, Harris might be a great president. But most people who want a different Democratic candidate do not realize that she is the only alternative for 2024.