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[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 84 points 11 months ago (6 children)

"I'm a Texan. I love Texas. I'm raising my children here. I was raised here. I've built my academic career, my professional career here. You know, I plan to stay. And so I want to be able to get access to the medical care that I need, and my daughter to have it as well," Cox said.

Yeah I don't think you are learning anything out of this. Stay in a state that does not care about you. Like a physical abusive relationship.

[–] Jonny@kbin.social 42 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I don't really agree with the abusive relationship analogy. Things only change if there are people there who want it to change. While I understand and sympathise with the desire to leave, I have the utmost respect for those who choose to stay and try to make/ be the change needed.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A lot of people have stayed in abusive relationships for that reason: "They can change! I can change them." Meanwhile the state is rapidly moving backwards. This is like being dragged behind the abuser's truck and not wanting to cut the rope.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A lot of people stay in abusive relationships because they don't have a realistic opportunity to leave. A lot of people in abusive states like Texas stay because they don't have a realistic opportunity to leave.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

And both parties suffer the consequences accordingly.

[–] Jonny@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, that would be the part that doesn't work. Ideologies do not remained contained, they spread. And countries and states regularly change, all the time.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

You are totally right.

These people would have shit on Rosa Parks, too.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The only solution in an abusive relationship is to leave.

[–] Jonny@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Which is why I don't agree with the analogy. Because that is not the solution when it comes to political ideologies.

History is full of terrible ideologies. Things like women's right to vote, and segregation. If people who disagreed and who had the means to leave all did, these likely would still be laws in the US.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If Ohio voters left Ohio when it went red, they wouldn't have abortion access or weed right now.

[–] die444die@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Not really. You can also have the abuser locked up and stay in your home.

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But enough taxpayers leaving can have a real effect. Enough people leave, the government notices and has to ask 'why?'

[–] akincisor@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago

Enough people leave an the rest will strengthen their majority. No politician is going to care unless it costs them power.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This was my initial reaction as well, but now I'm not so sure. Somebody has to be the public example, and fight this broken system. This has gotten a large amount of national media exposure, and that is ultimately what mobilizes voters. She also seems willing to suffer for her convictions, which is more than most people can say.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I saw someone mention Rosa Parks, and it's the perfect example. Injustice must be fought where it is by individuals who are brave enough to put themselves in harm's way for it. I have no disdain for people who put themselves and their families ahead of a cause. I'm the same way. But the very least we can do is offer our unconditional support to these heroes.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Meh, I don't think any of this matters. The right in US is winning BIGLY and none of those examples, media exposure or voter mobilization really matters. The right in 4 years of Trump managed to ban abortion and take control of the supreme court for the next, what?, 20 years? 30? Meanwhile, Biden and Democrats just sit there doing nothing. US need urgent reforms of education, healthcare, policing, gun laws, judiciary, political parties financing and many more a none of this will happen. The only things that's actually changing is that the government gets weaker and corporations get stronger. The only thing this type of activism can achieve is taking half step back while each Republican term the entire country takes 10 big steps forward in the direction of dictatorship. Looking from outside I'm amazed at how bad thing are in US and how little people realize this.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the fact that you're looking in "from the outside" explains why you're operating under the misconception that Democrats ever had unchecked power to do any of those things.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Like during Obama's two first years? Forgot about that? Yes, it was some time ago but all the problems were already there and Democrats chose to pussy foot around looking for weak, bi-partisan deals instead of addressing them. That they did very little even when they had full control was exactly why people didn't go out to vote for Hilary. It's not that Democrats can't do anything because they don't have full control. They don't have full control exactly because they don't do anything.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

When they had a filibuster-proof majority for....checks notes...4 months. And they spent those 4 months...checks notes...trying to completely overhaul the entire US healthcare system. That is, instead of doing the half-dozen things you mentioned which would have taken literal years of work to push through.

Fuck off with that revisionist, fantasy-land bullshit. You want Democrats to be full-on fucking dictators who can do whatever they "choose" to do, whenever they "choose" to do it, and they're not, so when they don't "choose" to do the shit you personally want, your lizard brain has convinced you they didn't do it because they "chose" not to. No amount of infantile teeth gnashing changes the way the actual world works, where checks and balances exist. That is, despite whatever the fuck is happening in your imagination.

Wherever the hell you come from, stay the fuck in your lane.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

While I get the sentiment, remember this is part of Republican’s grand plan. If they can make things so bad that liberals largely all concentrate in the likes of CA, NY, MA, IL, OR, WA, CT, RI, and VT, they can guarantee themselves permanent control of the Senate and a massive leg up on the presidency. They get to effectively gerrymander America.

They have already done this in the likes of Ohio and Florida. These former swing states are now solidly Red.

Republicans are worried about Texas, though. Republicans cannot take the White House without Texas. But an influx of people and changing demographics are pushing Texas toward purple territory. So they are doing everything to make the state hostile to liberals.

She is also trying to rally Texans to her side, and if she started saying “this state sucks” she would win less sympathy.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most of the people who are being harmed cannot leave. They are too poor to do so.

[–] StereoTrespasser@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But many are not. Many live in this shit-stain of a state and instead of voting with their feet, stay and complain.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

You are just blaming poor people for being poor. That's who doesn't vote. Until people have their material needs meet you can fuck right off with your blame bullshit.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't too long ago that Texas actually had a Democrat governor, and California a Republican governor.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago

Wasn't Arnold Republican? IIRC he did a pretty reasonable job.