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[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I totally agree. It will hurt, but this lesser-evil bullshit needs to end.

Blame everyone who votes for 'moderate' democrats. Not the people who refuse to 'fall in line.'

[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. People wanna act like votes are deserved. Votes are earned and if the party hasnt shown they earn them they dont get them. Full stop.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe instead of a candidate that gives you everything you want, a candidate that gives you most of what you want and is viable is a more reasonable expectation.

[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except there isn't anyone like that. Oh wait, there is. 3rd party. But then we'll just be going in a circle again.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

You forgot the viable part.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The lies people who vote third party tell themselves to justify their actions are astounding. You know the game, you know the rules and you know the consequences but still you do the wrong thing and pat yourself on the back and think yourself some sort of hero.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"If you don't vote Republican or Republican-lite, you're doing the wrong thing!" Jesus what a braindead take.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Moderate Democrat isn't a bad word, and a more centrist candidate implies broad support. It's easy to forget that on the fediverse, where the Overton window is way left of normal society.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it wholeheartedly is.

There is no liberal party in the US. Only conservative, and slightly less-conservative.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's funny how the us has redefined liberalism to mean something else, because both parties generally could be considered liberal, perhaps one more liberal and one slightly less:

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, constitutional government and privacy rights. Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.

I suspect you mean social or new deal liberalism, which defines Democrats but not Republicans.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You are correct.

I don't like the word liberal nor using it. Unfortunately, it has come to mean a point between conservatives and their dissenters.

Democrats, liberal, leftist, none of these really apply to what I am really talking about.

I think Progressive is the best, most accurate term. Other nations have parties that are more "Progressive" than "Liberal."

It's another reason why I'm a huge fan of talking specifics, not generalities.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It will hurt, but this lesser-evil bullshit needs to end.

Lmao if your plan works your life is going to get so much worse and I just don't understand how you see that as a win