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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And we can't do this for Ukraine because?

[–] Arelin@lemmy.zip 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because Israel is more profitable of course. Whatever "justifications" the US uses for war are always just excuses to earn the ruling capitalist class more profit.

Capitalism just follows the money. Though if there's enough protests and riots at home, the cost of managing that would outweigh the profit of genocoding native Palestinians.

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[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Because our government is bought by AIPAC

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 85 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Tank shells. Against an adversary that doesn’t have tanks.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

They classified encryption as a munition so now they can just classify journalists as a tank. Problem solved.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Israel unequivocally killed a journalist with a tank shell. https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-LEBANON/JOURNALIST/akveabxrzvr/

Israel is not investigating nor punishing, so it’s an actual war crime then. Will Biden put ANY restrictions on weapons to Israel?

[–] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 year ago

No. He's been real clear about that. Neither will Trump.

Short of armed insurrection, US subjects have no control on this one. The ones that are arming for insurrection also support the genocide. FML

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[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (43 children)

There's been a lot of posts about Palestinians and Muslims seriously arguing sitting out the next presidential election. To all the ppl who constantly argue how stupid and reactionary doing so is, what exactly are they suppose to do?

Simply vote for the man who is actively supplying the weapons to kill your family/kill ppl just like you because Trump is a giant bigot? Thankfully i don't have to make such a decision but I wouldn't blame anyone (especially the family of a dead relative bombed by Israel) to sit this next election out.

For Muslims and Palestinians this next election is a Murderer vs a Murdering racist

[–] halferect@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're supposed to realize Trump will have a Muslim ban and take away their rights and then go full on genocide using US troops to help Isreal do it more efficiently and then probably throw all Muslims into camps to be reconditioned or worked to death. I don't know what they expect biden to do, I don't claim to understand geopolitics but I'm pretty sure it would be a disaster for the US to end relations with Isreal.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Yeah and that's a problem for Biden to solve. If he wants to avert the disaster then he should stop his support for Israel.

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[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Simply vote for the man who is actively supplying the weapons to kill your family/kill ppl just like you because Trump is a giant bigot and would do the exact same if not worse?

FTFY.

But to answer your question, yes. In America 99.99% of the time we have to vote for the fractionally lesser of two evils and Biden is that. Not voting IS voting for Trump. It is a stupid selfish thing that does nothing for no one. Giving in to apathy by not voting is giving up on democracy and right now we are either voting to continue democracy or giving in to fascism.

Just to be clear I don't endorse what the US is letting Israel do to Gaza and Palestinians and I've let my local representatives know this. I also wish there was someone other than Trump or Biden who had any chance at all of winning the next presidential election.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is a stupid selfish thing that does nothing for no one. Giving in to apathy by not voting is giving up on democracy and right now we are either voting to continue democracy or giving in to fascism.

This comment is stupid selfish. Choosing not to vote for an administration that supplied the weapons that killed your family is the exact opposite of apathy.

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[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Third party, unironically.

inb4 helping the other side/first-past/throwing votes/electoral college. Gotta show em this is what happens when they are ignored.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I totally agree. It will hurt, but this lesser-evil bullshit needs to end.

Blame everyone who votes for 'moderate' democrats. Not the people who refuse to 'fall in line.'

[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yep. People wanna act like votes are deserved. Votes are earned and if the party hasnt shown they earn them they dont get them. Full stop.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Instead of voting for the guy who's going to support this shitty country which is on the verge of genocide, I'm going to effectively cast a vote for the guy who's going to support that shitty country and encourage them to commit genocide, in addition to pursuing genocide and the dismantling of democracy here at home."

For Muslims and Palestinians this next election is a Murderer vs a Murdering racist

If "supports terrible country" is enough to make a president a murderer, then there hasn't been a non-murderer president in the history of our country, and, quite possible, in the history of any country of note or significance.

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Careful. You're saying the quiet part outloud.

[–] firecat@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is Biden fault not American voters. He chooses to ignore voters and choose to ignore problems. Voters shouldn’t be blamed for the correct policies people want.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Speaking as someone who is strongly anti-Israel, the idea that American voters are opposed to military aid to Israel is just... not connected with reality.

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[–] Why9@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Honestly? They should either abstain or vote for a third party.

I'll preface this by saying that I'm not a US citizen, so what I say below is NOT advice. It's simply my thoughts to (almost) play devil's advocate for the benefit of discussion!

I'm well aware of the 'cowardice' of abstaining in this election. Yes, Trump has the potential to do harm to Muslims tomorrow, but Biden is harming them today. Trump currently hates Netenyahu, wants him impeached and disagrees with his actions in Gaza (yes it's because of a petty reason but that's Trump's MO!)

Biden is running again, and he is a self-proclaimed Zionist who supports Israel on a personal level, not only politically.

As much as many others want to avoid a second Trump term, voting for Biden means you support him, and support his actions. There's nothing in your vote that separates you from those who unequivocally agree with what he's doing in Gaza. If Biden wins and then he continues to assist in genocide in Gaza, then that's directly related to the democrat vote.

If democrats know they'll lose the election with Biden, they need to front another candidate fast. Failure to do so is accepting defeat.

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (13 children)

What's the emergency, is Russia invading Israel next?

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[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just a reminder if you take Zyrtec in the USA that the liquid gel caps ones are made in Israel but the childrens liquid is made in Switzerland. Avoid Israeli products when you can

[–] Bleach7297@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

Boycotting Israeli products is one of the only things you can do, since the US government seems complicit.

https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott

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