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For those who don't know: on the island of Maui- known for it's lush green central valley of sugar cane waving in the breeze- a bunch of real esnake developers began complaining about their fake paradise getting covered in ash from the nighttime controlled burns by the sugar cane company (about 160 years old)...see, they had built right in the path of the wind.
Long story short, they bribed the officials and won. Now Maui is a brown, unattractive desert with uncontrolled wildfires instead of controlled fires with irrigation sprinklers.
Maui is going to die.
This is ludicrously incorrect. Everything is back to being green now, unless it was a desert zone to begin with.
If you ended that reply by commenting on the central valley alone, you might have a valid point, but you imply all of Maui is brown and going to die. That is incorrect. I am also on this island and can see it myself.
edit: it also leaves out how most residents also wanted the cane burning and plowing to stop because it was a health problem, and how companies are slowly replanting that land with various crops that don’t cause the same type of issues, but are still in early stages.
It also implies that there’s only one place affected by the ashfall and dust by being downwind, which is incorrect when people in Kihei, Wailuku and Paia can be affected (as experienced personally by myself in all three places), which are all in entirely different directions. The wind doesn’t always blow one way here.
edit2: it’s also weird that this reply was to an article about roosters, but instead of commenting on that problem here, you went with something completely unrelated.
LOL, whatever dude, the loss of Lahaina should not be underrepresented, but it was not the only primary attraction. As someone who woke up with breathing issues from cane smoke while living in Kihei, Wailuku, and Paia, it was a problem for everyone within wind's distance. Anyone, including yourself, who says otherwise is just fucking ignorant. And any such law that we may need to have in place is totally irrelevant to the cane fields and all the reasons that whole operation was stopped. The only people legitimately sad about it were cane field workers, which lasted until they got different jobs. While we live on the same rock, we clearly live in different realities.
Not a problem now, because the burning has stopped, dumbass.
You talk about how something was the biggest local news item, yet apparently totally ignored the years of complaints from locals and long-term residents suffering from various forms of smoke-induced asthma, emphysema, etc... which is why it's ridiculous that people here are still giving older folks wearing masks a hard time, because many of them were wearing masks during burning seasons to help with the effects before the pandemic even happened.
LOL, no, that's not true either. The main places we had uncontrolled fires didn't have irrigation to begin with, with exception of the one downhill from Pukalani headed towards Maui Meadows (edit: actually, no, the area approaching Maui Meadows never had irrigation either), but please, do point out where the irrigation systems were in Kula, Olinda, and over on the west side so I can go see where that used to be. All the other fires we've had recently are the pedestrian variety probably caused by cigarettes being thrown out like usual, and they were all quickly brought under control. I get the alerts for emergencies and all clears just like everyone else here.
This nonsense may go over with people who don't live here, but I do live here.
No, you can get over it. If it's a problem for you, that's just too bad.
Thank you for being the perfect demonstration of the problem. All the complaints you mentioned came from new residents in new housing projects. VOG- from volcanoes- has been a respiratory issue here when the trades died more than cane burns have. Havent seen much of that recently.
Wrong again, not sure what part of “Paia” and “Wailuku” you don’t understand, but neither of those places has had new housing projects.
Also not sure what part of “locals” you don’t understand, but not many of them are in new housing projects either.
I lived for several years at the end of West Vineyard St in Wailuku, overlooking Happy Valley, in the opposite direction from Kihei, and we got smoked out by cane burning on a regular basis. That’s not even remotely a new housing project area.
edit: seriously tho, are you actually trying to blame smoke complaints on vog? That’s the dumbest thing you’ve said yet. It’s a completely different problem with milder effects. People think they’re having allergies and going for the antihistamines, they aren’t waking up with their eyes and lungs burning.
We are never, ever going to agree on this. You're being straight up melodramatic. You were not getting smoked out on a regular basic because that is neither how field rotation nor trades winds work.
But be happy! You whined and bitched like little girls and shut down a factory, destroyed a power plant (TWO of them!), and put lots of people out of work and some out of lifelong careers. Mazel tov!
Dude who says all of Maui is brown, going to die, and has no primary attractions left says someone else is being melodramatic. LOL
And clearly you don’t know as much about the winds as you claim. Feel free to go door to door over there and ask people about it.
I said the central valley....which, btw, is now returned to being a brown, dead desert. Just like I said.
I already quoted you before but there it is again, in all its melodramatic wrongness.
edit: not to mention that part of the smoke pollution was them burning the existing pipe along with the cane, because it was basically impossible to harvest around it, and it wasn’t harvested until after it was burned.
And, again, the uncontrolled wildfires have been in places where there was no irrigation to begin with.
edit2: It’s still baffling that last part has to be explained for you. There have been no uncontrolled fires in any areas that previously had irrigation, because all the cane field road infrastructure is still there, so the fire dept can drive right to it. Meanwhile, the uncontrolled fires were uncontrolled because there were no easy access points, and there were no previous irrigation sources located there. It’s really weird, or just disingenuous, that you’re trying to conflate these two completely separate things.
And yet, there it is: an ugly, brown, dead central valley.
You will never, ever win this one. Sit down. And stop trying to make your point with the August fire and not the dozens and dozens before then. The area around Hansen road is still charred.
I don’t need to win anything with you. As long as other readers come along and understand that you’re full of shit regarding the overall state of Maui, or at the very least extremely confused about the facts here, that’s enough. You’re probably one of those who think the Olinda and Kula fires were started by a laser, and there’s absolutely no talking sense into those people.
edit: You’re the one who’s complaining about controlled vs uncontrolled fires related to irrigation or lack thereof. The only “uncontrolled” ones were in August, all the other previous ones since the cane has been gone were handled quickly, because again, easy access. So apparently your definition of uncontrolled is loose at best. You act like there were no random fires when the cane was still growing, which is absolutely false. Plenty of unscheduled burns by vandals in the fields, which weren’t easy for the fire dept to put out.
More rationalization.
Got sad news for you, brah… the cane fields are never coming back. Doesn’t matter how much you whine about it, and all the people enjoying cleaner air unpolluted by burning pvc don’t care that you’re upset about it. Get over it and get on with your life. Or don’t. It doesn’t really matter. What you want will never happen.
Yes, I know. Now all our eggs are in one basket, and with Lahaina gone. Congrats!
You’re still shortsighted about something. Find a way to cope.