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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

No good guys fighting there ATM.

IDF are the good guys, just like the Ukrainian army is. That doesn't mean that every single individual in either army are angels or that every operation is virtuous, just that their overall intentions are just.

An important question: What would the world look like if these guys won versus if they lost?

[–] livus@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago

IDF are the good guys

Narrator: ...they weren't.

[–] idiocracy@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm positively surprised ur not downvoted to hell for saying that I must say

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There are no downvotes on Beehaw.

[–] idiocracy@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago

ohhhh that makes total sense now thanks!

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

It's true, there are no downvotes on Beehaw. It doesn't accept them or federate them.

However, people from other instances see a downvote button and it registers downvotes - but only from people on their own instance.

@fosforus and @idiocracy are probably looking at those figures and mistaking it for over-all numbers.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps majority of the people who hate my comments about Israel vs Hamas have already blocked me

[–] idiocracy@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago

that was funny and I thank u for that :D

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which is more important, ends or means?

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can prove to you it is not.

If my end is to have a million dollars, am I justified in killing whoever I want to get it?

If someone rapes your sister, are you justified in killing their whole family to get to them?

If someone kills your daughter, are you justified in burning down a city in revenge?

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Oh, I didn't realize you asked "do ends always justify the means?". My mistake.

[–] Zworf@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

IMO the only "good guys" fighting there are the civilians "fighting" to survive. Not Hamas and not the IDF. Neither care about the innocent.