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Dear server admins, please defederate threads.net. Dear users, ask your server admin to defederate threads.net. (mstdn.social)

submitted 10 months ago by mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net"

If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net".

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 17 points 10 months ago

Is threads.net going to hit the top of "most defederated" list? People hate it even more than gab and truthsocial.

[+] Maalus@lemmy.world -31 points 10 months ago

Best part of it is - it's all paranoia. Fediverse will never get a sensible percentage of people if everything new gets blocked for no reason, or "because they'll destroy Fediverse".

[-] Lucia@eviltoast.org 42 points 10 months ago

Fediverse will never get a sensible percentage of people

If Fediverse will reach a "sensible amounts of people" by sacrificing all of its goals (no ads, no data harvesting), what's the point of it? You can already register an acc on threads and enjoy full Meta experience.

everything new gets blocked

Meta isn't 'everything new'. It's 'just' an awful company with unethical business model.

for no reason

Seems more like you dismiss any reasoning against federation as 'it’s all paranoia'.

[+] Maalus@lemmy.world -23 points 10 months ago

Yeah, because it is all "slippery slope" and paranoia. So what that they federate? How are they going to force developers to implement ads? How will they force their unethical business model on you?

[-] wetnoodle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 10 months ago

https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/111585528118111249

Zuck has been refining his unethical business model for decades, they aren't joining activitypub to be a team player.

[-] pascal@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Is there a way to technically deliver an unbroken user experience to a thread user without privacy issues?

[-] wetnoodle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Not really that I can think of, which is why I don't think anyone should federate with them. I agree it's instance operator and users choice but I feel like the default shouldn't be "sign your privacy away, block them if you want to have privacy again (which you likely already lost some of from being federated with them)"

[-] Lucia@eviltoast.org 10 points 10 months ago

How will they force their unethical business model on you?

Their ToS (another user already sent a link to it) says they will collect data of anyone interacting with users on their service.

There's this weird argument that our data is public so privacy violation is okay. But, even if it's technically possible to collect and analyze data of fedizens doesn't mean it's okay to do. If it would become known that some of the existing instances do this they will be immediately defederated by everyone. But of course it's different for Meta because they're such a nice company!

[-] Womble@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

You don't have privacy in public, that's the difference between public and private. If meta wanted to they could scrape the entirety of the fediverse every weekend without anyone being federated with an instance of theirs. So that isnt a good reason for defederating.

Fear of EEE is a more reasonable argument, but given that it can be done at any point I dont see any reason to do it pre-emptively rather than take a wait and see approach.

[-] Lucia@eviltoast.org 2 points 10 months ago

You don’t have privacy in public, that’s the difference between public and private. If meta wanted to they could scrape the entirety of the fediverse every weekend without anyone being federated with an instance of theirs. So that isnt a good reason for defederating.

I literally said that: "There’s this weird argument that our data is public so privacy violation is okay."

It doesn't matter if it's public, they use their server for data mining and we can prevent that. Someone may collect our data secretely but it doesn't make more open approach to data mining any better or more ethical.

given that it can be done at any point I dont see any reason to do it pre-emptively rather than take a wait and see approach.

The longer users on your instance interact with content on Threads, the harder it will be to defederate (people will get angy about losing their content and their reach).

[-] Womble@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

My point was that you cant have your privacy violated in public as you don't have privacy in public. That's what being in public means, a place that isnt private.