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knew a guy who crossed out those bits in the agreement. they HR peeps never noticed until he found a new place to work. (he now works for our company.) It amazes me; how many people fail to realize every contract is unique.
A modification like that is only valid if both parties add their initials next to it to confirm they've seen it...
Nope. You just sign a contract without reading it, that’s on you.
Or did you think them being pushy while you actually read it wasn’t because they never ever try to sneak something in?
To clarify, you can’t add something way out of the pale, like “upon termination of this contract all assets of [whatever corpo] belong to FuglyDuck”… but you can definitely cross out terms you don’t ageee with (for example, the arbitration clause.)
And how exactly do you prove it wasn't crossed after being signed?
If it had to go in front of a judge, there are no initials present to show that both parties were made aware of the change and one party claims that the contract was modified without them being informed then the contract as it was originally written will be considered valid.
I find it hard to believe that I have to explain that you can't modify a written contract without informing the other party and without having a proof that you did in case of a breach...
By the way there's a difference between including clauses on the typed document and manually introducing extra clauses. In the second case the judge would say the same as if information was crossed without informing the other party. The typed version is the original and the one that's valid, without the hand written clauses that got added without the other party putting their initials to confirm they were informed. If extra clauses not previously agreed to by both parties (ex.: working hours agreed to during interview and written in the contract, extra clause saying they're subject to change at the employer's will in the written contract) were in the typed version then they were there from the beginning and it was the responsibility of both parties to be aware of them.
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/business-law/business-law-basics/contract-modification.html
In a case where a clause with potential major consequences is modified (like removing a NDA or non compete agreement) it would be advised to reprint the document to remove any form of ambiguity.
“Your honor, they crossed it out after it was done! It’s fraud, you’re honor!”
“Uhm. This is your copy?”
“Yes?”
“How did they cross out your copy?”
Yeah, I dunno, it seems that’s the reason both parties keep a copy, huh?
They (or their representatives) have every right to read and review before they sign, just the same as you. If you agree to arbitration “I didn’t agree to that” doesn’t fly. They agree to a contract with it removed is the same.
Anecdotally, I know I guy (he’s a coder,) I’ve worked with around in a few companies now; he “always” crosses out both the non-competes and the arbitrate clauses.
Judge sided with him.
NDA’s are typically their own document/contract rather than part of the employment contract. At least I’ve never seen one that wasn’t it’s own document (and I’m under around 140 NDAs right now…. Most of which aren’t withy employer. Contract security is like thst.)
Sure thing buddy, Imma trust you bro on legal questions instead of using an actual credible source.
That's not how contract law works, mon ami
I dunno. it seems like they do
Technically, altering the document creates a counter offer- the original offer was rejected. If you make a counter offer for employment, and they behave like that offer is accepted, (ie by proceeding with onboarding, sending paychecks and assigning work,) it was accepted. Maybe not everywhere.
I’ve a friend that does this all the time- specifically both arbitration and non compete clauses. Just because they use standardized forms doesn’t mean the contract isn’t unique.
but then, there’s this Russian fellow , so there’s that, too,
That's how people think contract law works and that's scary