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When 1 breed is per capita significantly higher represented... yes it is.
Little dogs can't kill you.
If we breed a dog to be the size of a hippo... Is that still okay to have? Even if it's only 6x as dangerous as the next breed?
it's higher because people use pitbulls for dog fights, etc... if you abuse an animal it's more likely to attack someone.
if you look at stats, getting killed by a rotweiler or a german Shepard isn't that far off.
which would be the next two "tough dude" cool pets...
not to mention, pitbulls aren't even a breed, really... there's plenty of pit cousins that would be the new pitbulls... plus half breeds and whatnot...
my solution is to just require all small children carry revolvers... super simple, and those dogs will think twice before attacking them.
We should just breed our toddlers to be vicious dog-killers machines, problem solved. I want my kid to be able to tear everything to shreds on the playground by the time he hits 6.
fuck yeah
They didn't just use pitbulls, they specifically bred pitbulls to fight and never give up. It's deep in their brain.
"Deep in their brain" is that a science term. I kid. I would like to know the science behind it, though.
This is correct. My argument isn't just that they top the lists... it's ALSO that the damage they do is much higher than any other breed as well. These concepts are inextricably linked.
When a pomeranian bites you, it's whatever... bleeds a little bit, you put a bandaid on it later, but punt the fucker now. If a pitbull bites you... You might be missing part of your fucking leg. Try punting a pitbull...
We have more known attacks that are pitbulls simply because the damage they do is so fucking much more that it can't just be handled in private. It's actually probably 100% probably that pitbulls on average strictly bite at the same rates as other dogs... But the sheer amount of damage done by pitbulls means those bites = more deaths and hospitalizations. I've never once claimed that pitbulls bite more or less than any other breed, simply that they cause more casualties (and often specify deaths).
This is called gameness and the trait is not inextricable for pit bull breeds. It was bred into them through selection, not too dissimilar to how those stubby faced breeds were bred to be that way (e.g. pugs).
If pit bull breeds were selectively bred to reduce/remove that trait it would change things. It’s almost like the root problem isn’t the dogs but the people and breeding practices.
Pits already are selectively bred to reduce/remove that trait. The only person who wants a pit suited for fighting is the exact person who should never own a dog anyways. Since there’s literally NO benefit to the trait, obviously breeders jump through a lot of hoops to not sell aggressive murder dogs.
People who casually imply that every pitbull is a fucking monster are so woefully illinformed, and usually completely unwilling to consider they don’t know all the facts.
If this was directed at me I wasn’t implying every pit bull breed type is a monster.
Certified, professional breeders might be breeding out the gameness but the backyard breeders and the accidental breeders aren’t.
The number of pit and pit mixes in shelters aren’t coming from professional breeders or their dogs. Our second adopted dog is a mutt but dominant breeds are Border Collie and Am. Pit Bull Terrier. We’ve got her pretty well trained now, but if another dog comes snapping and biting at her I have to jump in to get a hold of her because she’s still got enough game in her that, if provoked, she goes hard in the paint.
I will always believe that pit type breeds are not for inexperienced or lazy dog owners. They need work, structure and training consistently.
This is key, it's like they are bigger than they appear. We inherited one. Sweet nature, good with the cats, but weighs the same as the bigger dog in the household and strong as fuck.
I'm sorry, but this is a probably 100% probably on average strictly convincing sentence you've got, there.
Oh man... I said "probably" rather than "probable"! I better go get the noose and hang myself cause @daltotron can't understand what a typo is!
It's absolutely not "deep in their brain" breed doesn't really impact behavior
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D84642491739088231094049347991384876828%7CMCORGID%3D242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1651162390&_ga=2.218466969.1066386900.1651162373-689641651.1609118629
How you raise a dog does. If you see an aggressive dog, blame the owner.
Yes, owner surveys over tens of thousands of individuals regardless of breed meaning no implicit bias. The survey finds the same result across all breeds, the survey isn't specific to pits.
You really thought you did something there didn't you? Please learn to trust science over inflammatory media
Like if everyone claimed they had a perfect puppy, your critique would hold water, but flaws were reported across all breeds...
Why then pick pits? I get emergency calls about dog attacks all the time. It's always pits. Assholes want asshole dogs. People use them to fight because they're monsters and will fight till the death.
I picked my pit because that's what the shelter had and she's incredibly sweet. Even with kids, they can pull her face meats and it doesn't even bother her.
if an asshole dog fighting abusive owner can't get a pit, they'll get a rottweiler... which will also attack people if raised like that.
or german shepards...
see also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogs_in_warfare
It's more represented because morons buy that breed more than others. When they get banned it's other breeds that start attacking people.
You don't understand what "per capita" means do you?
Cool... I'll take being attacked by a pomeranian any day. I can at least punt those little fuckers over a fence.
Yeah the statistics on this are incredibly clear.
For the US this year it's overwhelming staffy / Pitbulls causing human deaths.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
You don't really understand how statistics work do you? Per capita can still get artificially skewed in favor of one breed or another. For an example, let's say we have red Legos and blue Legos and statistics say that murderers are more likely to pick red Legos. As a result, more people pick blue Legos because they don't want to be perceived as murderers, leaving the red Legos for murderers and people who are skeptical or ignorant of the statistics. The result will be that there's a much higher number of murderers per-captia with red Legos than with blue Legos.
The same can be applied to pitbulls. Create the story that pitbulls are man-killers, and the stats will get skewed as people looking for man-killers buy more pitbulls and people looking for companions intentionally avoid them. The result will be that there are more man-killer pitbulls per capita because that's what they're being trained for. It's called a self-fullfilling prophecy. Maybe pitbulls truly do have a disposition for being man-killers, however their reputation means that the stats will be skewed in favor of the man-killers trait, as more people will buy them to make them man-killers.
Loved your comment, just wanted to chime in that what you’re referring to in the quoted portion above is commonly called gameness. Generally speaking it’s not that pit bulls are more prone to attack by default but their attacks are more unrelenting.
Nice story... except is misses a bunch of things...
So you can about some statistical story of legos... but that isn't the reality we're living in here. If anything you've provided more evidence that they should be destroyed (and I'm not in favor of actual destruction, but mandatory spay/nueter and make it illegal to breed them is more in line with my idea of an answer).
You're missing the fact that I'm specifically addressing your decision to present "per captia" as being definitive proof of pitbulls being man-killers. I even stated that it's entirely possible that they could, in fact, truly be man-killers, however the stats could be skewed so "per captia" can't be the definitive proof.
If you want a real-world example of "per captia" being falsely skewed, look up stats on crime or IQ per race. You'll find they're heavily skewed against black people. However, if you continue to dig, you'll find there are plenty of reasons to question the validity of those stats.
Yes this would imply that there's only one body conducting these sorts of stats under just one metric. Except this is universal. Which is why I, in other comments, have pointed out crowdsourced lists as well... Showing that it's not just the stats from the USA coming to this conclusion.
The reason measuring IQ by race is an issue is because IQ isn't even a good metric to measure intelligence anyway. Thus people who say that black people are less intelligent by measurement of IQ are morons from the get-go. And I never made "per capita" as my only proof. You're just focused on that and have read other threads.
Crowdsourcing info from people that aren't experts and can't tell the difference between a Pitbull and an American bulldog or a boxer, truly we've reached the peak of the scientific method!
Do you really think these people go for Pomeranians instead? Not an American bulldog or a rottweiler or a doberman... No... They can't buy a Pitbull so they get a Chihuahua instead!
If a higher percentage of pitbull owners are morons then no shit there will be more attacks per capita, it doesn't mean that the breed is the issue!
Also the problem with these stats is that they're based on victim reports, victims that very often don't know dogs and will call any big dog with short hair a Pitbull. The stats are extremely unreliable and in most places there's just no actual tracking of the breeds that committed the attack. In places where there is, as I previously mentioned, attacks don't go down it's just other breeds that are reported and the attacks cause just as much damage because the dogs aren't any smaller.