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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

But if Biden can just ignore congressional oversight, what will this do? Can someone sue to enforce oversight?

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (37 children)

He's currently behind the mango Mussolini in the polls and, other than "at least I'm not the other guy" being a much less effective strategy for an incumbent than a challenger no matter how awful the challenger is, this is the main reason.

Biden may be a corrupt right wing reactionary, but he's not enough of a fool that he's not beginning to realize the fact that he probably has to change course on this or run a very high risk of losing the last fair and open US presidential election.

[–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've heard a lot of joke names for trump, but "Mango Mussolini" takes the cake lol

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 2 points 10 months ago

It fits IMO lol

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Calling Biden "corrupt right wing reactionary" is untrue.

That isn't to say I wouldn't prefer Bernie Sanders, or that I agree with everything Biden's done.

I just think that accusation is inflammatory and baseless. It would be more helpful to use accurate descriptors.

I'm not a fan of him ordering the rail union back to work but he's also asked for the DEA to review a proposal to reschedule marijuana, acquitted existing inmates on marijuana charges and forgiven as much student loan debt as he is able without intervention from Congress.

To me this does not paint the picture of a "corrupt right with reactionary"

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Calling Biden "corrupt right wing reactionary" is untrue.

He was known as The Senator From MBNA for shamelessly acting as if he was working for the then second largest credit card company in the country rather than the US people.

He championed the pro-corporate bankruptcy reform that was so anti-consumer that it inspired Elizabeth Warren to advocate for a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to shield consumers from similarly predatory practices by the rich and powerful.

He's said that "of course" he'd be more likely to agree to talk to someone if they first donated a lot of money to his campaign.

He's repeatedly championed cutting medicare and medicaid.

He initially opposed desegregation bussing, saying he didn't want his kids to "grow up in a racial jungle"

He's bragged about his close cooperation with such segregationists as racism end boss Strom Thurmond.

He has said that he would veto Medicare For All if congress passed a bill allowing any version of it.

He was the only 2020 Dem primary candidate that categorically ruled out decriminalization of the use and possession of cannabis.

He is one of the staunchest international supporters of a fascist government currently engaged in a horrendous genocide because "they've always been our allies, so we need to support them no matter what"

He used to brag that nobody in Washington went to more of the events of that fascist government's lobbying arm, AIPAC.

If that doesn't "paint the picture of" a corrupt right wing reactionary to you, that's not because he isn't one.

I just think that accusation is inflammatory and baseless

Well you're half right. It IS inflammatory. Unpopular truths tend to be.

It would be more helpful to use accurate descriptors.

Those are 100% accurate descriptors. They don't encompass ALL of what he is, but corrupt, right wing and reactionary is objectively three things that he is.

asked for the DEA to review a proposal to reschedule marijuana

A proposal that concluded with no qualifications that rescheduling would be the only defensible course of action. Nothing to review unless he disagrees and wants the war on drugs people to justify it for him.

acquitted existing inmates on marijuana charges

That's prescribing an aspirin for a migraine while you have but refuse to use the cure for the underlying disease.

forgiven as much student loan debt as he is able without intervention from Congress.

Categorically untrue. It's within the constitutional powers of his secretary of education to cancel literally all of it, which he would have done had Biden asked.

Biden knew that he'd get pushback from the GOP no matter how much or how little was forgiven and chose small amounts that he still means tested to death, like Dem leadership always do when they do anything that helps regular people more than their owner donors.

To reiterate: yes, he's objectively corrupt. Yes he's objectively right wing, and yes, he's objectively reactionary.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I appreciate your thorough and non-confrontational response, I will respond once I've had time to read give your points the time and research they deserve.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's an American politician who is 80 years old. Yes, he needs to go. All of them from his generation do. But he's not a goddamned Nazi, so crawl down off that cross before you hurt youself.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 10 months ago

I never said he's a nazi. I know he's not. I said he's corrupt, right wing and reactionary. Then I provided ample examples of him being a corrupt right wing reactionary. Nobody's on a cross here.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

i think the executive branches crazy override powers are by design. it needs to be quick to respond to issues of national security or something.

i think it would be nice if there were a process to sue the crap out of parties which are abusing these mechanisms, though im not sure what that would look like.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 2 points 10 months ago

This is incorrect. The executive was never intended to be anywhere near as powerful as it has become. It has become increasingly powerful over the years for a suite of reasons, some perfectly legitimate (like the threat of nuclear war), but most because of cowardice in the legislative together with the conservative theory of the unitary presidency.

There's an entire body of literature in poly sci on the subject and how it can be addressed.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

Impeachment?

It's a bad solution for a number of reasons, but it's the one we were given for punishing officials who abuse their power.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Congress can override an executive order. But the president can veto that action. But Congress can stop a veto with a 2/3s vote.

So if they controlled 2/3s of Congress they could stop anything he tries to do.

That actually seems pretty balanced.

[–] alabasterhotdog@lemmy.ca -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My faith in lemmy users actually replying to facts and informative posts like this without some type of online emotional outburst or downvotes is pretty much nil at this point.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 10 months ago

As a whole Lemmy users are deeply stupid or deeply ignorant or both. I think it's an age thing, but I could be wrong. Most of what gets tossed around here as Lemmy's received orthodoxy is pure amateur hour bullshit that has very little to do with reality.

Another cause for this is that Lemmy's userbase tends to be very ideologically driven as opposed to forming political views on the basis of evidence and solutions based rationality.

Obviously I'm not very popular around here. Fortunately I don't care. I'm just killing time and if I can shake even one person's ill-founded convictions, I am happy.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Except it's not true. Executive orders have no teeth. They're not legislation so there's no criminal or civil penalty for ignoring them. Which means legislation doesn't need to do anything to override them. At most, the president can replace positions under his authority if the orders are not followed.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago

The president can sanction states and companies that don't follow them. So it's a bit more than they can just be ignored.