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you could easily say that survivors from the Warsaw ghetto were moved to paltry concentration camps.
Sure you're agreeing, but this comment reads really dismissively to the above imo.
You could have compared it to Warsaw Ghetto with a separate comment, or at least not detracted from our comrades statement, only to then get defensive.
The survivors were moved to Auschwitz under the armed guard of the SS to be immediately exterminated with industrial gas chambers, firing squads, daily death marches, and inhumane working conditions so that none could last more then a few days, let alone a few months. Not dumped in the middle of nowhere to die from starvation and lack of human necessities. Why would you double down. I do not want to detract from the genocide of the Native Americans at all, and I do not want to dismiss what the previous commenter wanted to say. However, your, and his words detract heavily from the specific depravity of the methods used in Holocaust by trying to equalize the methods used with those used in the genocide of the native Americans. Both used to great effect in exterminating millions, but in very different ways.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you really seem to be taking some pretty good faith comments very personally, it's not about you or me.
If I am truthful, the vast majority of my family was killed in the Holocaust, or fighting on the Eastern front. Very few people came home to nothing in a city that was wiped off the map, and my family line has essentially vanished with there being very few of us left. It is a very sore subject, and I hope it doesn’t come across as aggressive or wishing to fight you on this topic. But it is still a very painful topic.
that's really terrible comrade, I'm so sorry for you and your family. I'm sure those experiences and memories have left deep intergenerational scars that linger within you and your family... I hope you can find it within yourself, to use those feelings to motivate in our work changing the world.
Sorry if I came across like a shithead, I understand how easy it is to fall into a defencive mode, arguments online with faceless users are so easy to get out of hand. This felt like a small miscommunication that was leading to upset among people who would otherwise be close allies.
It's so hard to judge tone through text, and I could feel myself starting to bitter towards you. I might have said something curt and defensive myself, if I hadn't run to catch a bus. We're all pretty fragile, it's a lot of practice remaing calm and to realise when we're starting to lash out.
I hope you have a good day friend :)
Concentration camp would still not be the most accurate word to describe the situation though. It is not a purpose built area, but an already existing area cordoned off for “containment”. There is literally a word for what you described. It’s called a Ghetto. That is their purpose. To act as a restricted containment area to box in and segregate a target population, usually for the aim of elimination from society, or preparation for extermination.
Hence my example of the Warsaw Ghetto in the first comment. An near identical situation to what is happening in Gaza.