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[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Compare:

x.field[5]

with

x.getField().get(5)

Both are exactly the same level of OOP, but the Java version is roughly twice as long. Add operator overloading to the mix and it becomes much worse:

x.getField().get(5).multiply(6).add(3)

vs

x.field[5] * 6 + 3

All this has nothing to do with OOP, but with syntactic sugar that is applied.

[–] biddy@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As I said, the convention is now x.field() not x.getField()

What language are you comparing against here? x.field[5] is valid Java if field is a public array, but that's not OOP, at least not in a pure sense.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not valid Java for e.g. Lists, Maps, Strings or any programmer-defined classes.

Same with operator overloading.

myVectorA + myVectorB is not valid Java, but it is valid OOP in e.g. Python or C++. And this kind of syntactic sugar reduces verbosity enourmously, while still being OOP.

If you have ever worked in e.g. Python, Groovie or Kotlin you notice quickly how non-verbose OOP can be.

It seriously is just Java.

And Javas insistance on having you wrap non-OOP things in fake OOP constructs (e.g. static methods, which are just functions in modules, but you have to uselessly abuse classes as modules) isn't helping either.