this post was submitted on 08 Jan 2024
392 points (96.0% liked)

politics

19072 readers
4969 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] chillhelm@lemmy.world 150 points 10 months ago (5 children)
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 102 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 01/08/2024

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference

Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - March 4th, 2024, one day before Super Tuesday primaries.
Jack Smith had requested that the Supreme Court immediately rule on Trump's immunity defense, the Court rejected the request, requiring it to go through the usual appeals process first.
Conviction
Sentencing

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff

Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges

Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Georgia
13 state felonies
Election Interference

Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
The judge in the case has set a deadline of December 1st for all motions to be filed, expect a trial date at some point after that.
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. That trial date is currently set for January 15th, the same day as the Iowa caucus. and has now been determined to be for damages only as Trump was already found liable.

As a function of the January 6th and Georgia trials, there are now lawsuits in two states to bar Trump from the primary ballot based on the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment.

Colorado:

12/19/23 - The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is not eligible for the primary ballot due to being barred by the 14th Amendment as an insurrectionist.

The Supreme Court has agreed to hear arguments starting Thursday, February 8th.

Minnesota:

11/8/2023 - State Supreme Court denies challenge, allows ballot access.  

Maine:

12/29/2023 - Maine's Secretary of State has ruled that Trump is not qualified for the ballot., which is now being challenged.

A long-shot write in candidate for President has also filed suits seeking to bar Trump from the ballot in Florida, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

His cases in Arizona, California, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,  and West Virginia have been thrown out:

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-eligibility-challenge-in-arizona/

https://ballot-access.org/2023/12/17/john-anthony-castro-voluntarily-dismisses-his-california-anti-trump-ballot-access-lawsuit/

https://ballot-access.org/2023/10/12/john-anthony-castro-dismisses-his-idaho-lawsuit-on-trump-ballot-access/

https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-donald-trump-ballot-lawsuit-dismiss/45682757

https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/27/trump-keeps-right-to-be-on-presidential-ballot-in-ri/71720185007/

https://wvmetronews.com/2023/12/22/lawsuit-to-boot-trump-off-west-virginia-ballots-is-dismissed-because-plaintiff-lacks-standing/p

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This should be updated with the US Supreme Court hearing the appeal against Colorado Supreme Court removing Trump from the ballot, which will start being heard on 8 Feb.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I'll get that added! Also waiting on a date for the Maine ruling.

[–] Killer_Tree@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for collecting all this information in one place, it is appreciated! Does a website or blog exist where this information is posted and updated? If not, there should be.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Not to my knowledge. I started putting it together on reddit because there were enough investigations going on, any time there was news, people would complain "why isn't he in jail already!!?!" and I'm like "No, no, you don't get it... this isn't a TV show, it's a whole PROCESS..."

So I set out to show the process:

Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing

For crimes of this magnitude it takes YEARS.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 98 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

That’s not how the legal system works. If you come at the king you best not miss and jack has no interest in missing.

I’d rather have an air tight case given how slippery Trump has been. You clearly understand how difficult this is yet here you are advocating for a rush job.

Let him cook.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's been three fucking years. I strenuously object to the notion that building even an airtight case for crimes we all witnessed live on national fucking TV really needed to take this goddamn long!

For perspective, by this amount of time had passed after the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler had been arrested, tried, convicted, imprisoned, wrote a shitty book, and pardoned and released again. If even the Weimar fucking Republic -- damn near a failed state -- could manage that, what do these ridiculous delays say about us?!

[–] kralk@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Remind me what happened to Hitler after that prosecution?

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He was convicted and imprisoned. Are you implying the fact that he got pardoned means that wasn't what they should have done? Do you think if they moved slower or did something else different Hitler wouldn't have been pardoned somehow?

[–] stown@sedd.it 2 points 10 months ago
[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Hitler didn't base his society on lawyers

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In principle I agree. But the truth is the GOP has gone fully rogue. They aren't even playing the same game, let alone by the same rules. The more latitude Trump and those in thrall to him are afforded, the more likely an actual, effective, coup is executed. The deeper into the process Trump gets, the more legitimaized he becomes. The more legitimaized he becomes the more the "implications" increase. Basically he needs to be removed from the game as soon as possible because time is a huge factor. He's very good at stall tactics, and he is very good at making sure things do or do not stay in the public consciousness. In short, the most dangerous thing you can give Trump to play with is time.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

Or just stringing it out and managing to win the next election (probably by more effective cheating)

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We've already missed on multiple occasions and it's showing now.

[–] troybot@midwest.social 9 points 10 months ago

No more half measures, Walter

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm with you on the legal side, but on the media side, wtf. I'm tired of having to check whether each piece of new, devastating evidence is in fact a) new and not some new wrapper around an article from yesterday b) actually devastating, not routine filing and c) relevant at all.

That's no dig at this particular article, but these headlines are inducing a "shit or get off the pot" mentality as far as trying to keep up.

Edit: I would like to note that this headline engages in speculation (note the word "may"). That is some "shit or get off the pot" shit. I'm tired of what "may" happen. At least in the headline. Speculation has its place. It's in the body of a well-sourced article.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The media has been milking the nations politics for a long time now. In 2016 CBS CEO was quoted saying Trump was making them lots of money. It’s the same thing here, they think they can outlast the fascism so they don’t seem to care about the damage it does

Not to say that those that write articles about how extra doomed Trump is this time for sure but probably not yet….. are hurting the nation like CBS did with Trump but it does have a negative effect.

I guess they don’t want people to forget but the fatigue is real. That’s part of trumps delay tactic and his bullshit as a whole for that matter

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If the legal system cannot hold Trump accountable before hes able to get elected president and make these investigations stop then the legal system doesn't work. A system that cannot protect itself from the people it's supposed to punish is fundamentally broken, and that's looking like where we are. Cling to the broken system and you should expect broken results.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All that can be true and rushing it would still be a worse option.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We are nowhere near rushing it, its been three years. We are actively slow walking, all we need to do it treat him like we treat people without wealth, but we cannot. There's a massive amount of space between 'rushing it' and what we are doing right now.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Imagine if they miss just one little thing and he gets off on a technicality. He would absolutely escalate the dictatorship bs and justify it all by pointing to his non conviction or a successful appeal.

You say it is being actively slow walked. Based on what? Cannon is slow walking the FL documents case, but Jack Smith is running a "speedy trial" in DC. So is Willis in GA. Trump's NY fraud case is finishing up after a pretty standard length trial given the amount of info that needed to be presented.

If these are intentionally slow trials, then what should the timelines have been instead?

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wait, are we cooking or are we shitting? Because those are very different pots...

[–] protist@mander.xyz 13 points 10 months ago

Isn't the trial date already set? This is just an article about some random "expert opinion," not something actually from the case.

[–] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm so tired of these that I'm nimb to it. I've resigned myself to a bleak Donald Trump filled future.

[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago
[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

Convict or I’ll lose whatever faith I have left in this shithole of a country.