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It's the same way Mastodon and the Fediverse is so damn frustrating to many people. They don't want to have to think and just want shit to work.
I can't say I blame them when it comes to going with what's comfortable.
I used Windows and Linux while in school so it's what I got used to. Whenever I use MacOS I feel incredibly lost
I'm fine with Linux and techy stuff for my personal life.
My work stuff has to work. Always. Enterprise solutions are the only way I can get that without a personal army of IT guys.
macOS and iOS both have their own feel that just isnt intuitive for me.
I’ve been a windows user forever and ever (well, DOS before that…) but iOS feels intuitive as fuck to me. I was an immediate Android adopter (HTC Dream/G1, then the successor G2 immediately when it was released) and when my partner got an iPhone, I played around with it for like five minutes before I was like “holy shit this is smooth.” I’ll never go back to Android (well, I couldn’t now anyway since I don’t touch Google services or products)
Next weekend I set up my first linux box since 2008, though, and I’m nervous. But excited.
This is oft repeated but is short sighted, it is NOT that people do not want to think, it is that they don’t have the time and energy to constantly fight their devices to perform simple tasks.
That's exactly why I love Linux and hate Windows. Try something simple in Windows like setting custom keyboard shortcuts... insanely frustrating. I'm not sure you can even do it without 3rd party apps, but in Linux I can do it in 10 seconds.
On the flip side try to get Linux to play back audio at above 48,000 Hz without breaking absolutely everything that isn’t already at the desired sample rate.
In Windows it is 5 clicks.
The few times a have some minor issue on linux, it is probably audio related or related to working with multiple different screens with different refresh rates, resolutions, etc, so you probably have a point.
However, I did have various issues with audio and multiple screens on windows as well, I would say even more frequently. However, on windows those issues were generally resolved after a restart, on linux I actually had to do some troubleshooting.
Try and get the Focusrite Solo at 48k with Windows without using the awful software that comes with it, in Linux it's literally plug and play. It goes both ways, that's what Windows plebs don't understand. All the issues Windows plebs complain about in Linux, are also present in Windows: driver issues, updates breaking userspace, etc.
Those are common problems. What is not common is the complete lack of control and customization, the ads and telemetry data, and the dogshit workflows that Windows offers.
Attacking people because there are valid criticisms of Linux, which you haven’t refuted at all, shows how utterly stupid you are.
Yes there are valid criticisms of Windows. No that does not give you a pass to attack people who use it, they have made their own choice.
One device, which you admit works with the correct drivers, doesn’t remotely compare to a glaring flaw with audio that I can find first mentioned in 2002 still impacting Linux today.
I haven't attacked anyone... yet, but the cognitive dissonance of that first sentence, oh my! Do you have any self-awareness at all? I can't imagine contradicting myself in the same fucking sentence, lmao, you're straight up delusional my guy.
I explained why they are not valid criticisms and you're missing my point that it goes both ways, but anyway... thanks for that opening sentence and confirming your opinions don't merit consideration. I will no longer waste time conversing with you, not because you are ignorant but because you quite obviously lack critical thinking abilities.
Yes you clearly meant that in an endearing sort of way.
The only thing I infer with that is how limited Windows is as an OS and it's users are at understanding other computing concepts. We are in a Linux sub, no one here should take offense to it nor feel attacked by it. Regardless, if had I attacked someone or not, it is still hypocritical, and shows your lack of critical thinking to chastise me for attacking someone while simultaneously attacking me... I mean to say... that makes you stupid, objectively. You may want to address that, just saying.
Does it make you a patrician to use Linux? Are you a father figure now to society?
We plebeians are just waiting on your glory to shine upon us, o high one.
Are you offended that I am calling your knowledge into question over invalid criticisms? Instead of being offended, maybe take the time and learn from it. At the end of the day, if you want an extremely limited OS that spies on you, it's your life... but maybe you should reconsider participating in a Linux sublem.
Calling anybody a pleb means everything you say is discounted. You have an arrogance that’s wildly unhinged.
I wish you luck, o wise patrician. May the glory of Rome shine forever upon you.
I think deep down, this comment has is more true than not for the likes of you, and it's insecure users that lash out at this realization. It really sounds like you're projecting your insecurities around some type of superiority complex because you fail to measure up. You can deflect all you want, but I see you... your lack of honest debate and your deflections and projections... and it's honestly, pathetic. Let me give you some advice; try to be a better person.
P.S. And quit being such a fragile little bitch, you're offended by the term Windows pleb... that's the type of person you are, you might want to consider that, just saying.
You can set macro's under Mouse and Keyboard center (though only in win11, welcome to 1995 Microsoft!) You can set a keyboard shortcut for a program under a shortcut's properties (since at least a couple of editions ago).
Can you change Alt+tab and other defaults? Because I'm talking about the ability to fully customize all keyboard shortcuts. I can make my laptop sing for you without lifting my hands from the keyboard, and anytime I boot into Windows I feel like I'm weighted down with 80lb sandbags.
@somedaysoon @Cypher MS powertools allows some of those stuff, though not nearly as well. AHK is every easy to setup and get into even compared to some of the linux equivalents.
It goes either ways and one needs to find the way to make it work on either system. Often she exact same approach might not work in both.
Nobody wants to constantly fight their devices to perform simple tasks, but that's exactly the reason why I almost exclusively use linux and get incredibly annoyed when I have to use windows (for business reasons)..
Sure, linux based systems often take up more time until you find the right system for your needs and for your hardware, you will have some effort to find alternatives to some software that you might be used to and depending on what software you need, linux just won't be an option for you, but once that everything is set up, at least in my personal experience, things run a lot more consistently and expectedly in my personal experience.
Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm just lucky, but I have been using linux exclusively for about 3 years now on a desktop, multiple laptops and obviously servers. Have I experienced any issues? Yes, there were small issues from time to time, but nothing that I would not have with windows. But in terms of day to day operations and performing basic tasks, linux has been the superior user experience for me without a doubt.
I used to believe that linux is great for servers, and sucks for desktops and laptops, but ever since I made the switch, I have completely changed my mind. I still use windows because I have to, but the most annoying part of switching to linux was that windows has become even more annoying to use.
This. I get a wild hair every couple years to daily drive Linux and there's always something small but crucial that breaks within a day or so and there's no way for me, a relative novice, to fix it.
Example: I picked up a old ThinkPad on ebay last year. I put Ubuntu on it and after a day or two the wifi just stops working. No error messages. Nothing. I tried digging into the settings via ui with no luck. Googling didn't help because I couldn't tell what was helpful, unhelpful, or would have been helpful but is five years out of date.
After a few days of trying to make it work, I just threw on windows and haven't had any issues since.
I've always had the opposite experience, especially with hardware like older thinkpads. Trying to use windows, everything runs so slowly, I have to try to find the right wifi and sound drivers from the manufacturers website, and make sure you get the right driver version that works with Windows 10. Then windows update runs and overwrites your drivers with Microsoft drivers that don't work.
Installing Ubuntu, everything works straight out of the box, don't need to go hunting all over the internet for installer packages.
Meanwhile these drivers don't even exist for Linux
I'm pretty sure every thinkpad uses network adapters with linux drivers.
Sure, and ThinkPads make up like 1% of computing devices.
Fair, but the person above you was talking about ThinkPads... Laptops with network adapters that have no Linux drivers are very rare. In the large majority of cases network adapters have drivers in the kernel, and almost all of the rest have drivers that need to be installed after. I used to work at a PC shop where I would very often use a Linux live CD to test hardware if Windows was having issues that seemed to be driver related. 90% of the hardware we worked on were laptops, so I booted Linux on a lot of them. There was never a laptop that didn't work out of the box on Linux. They certainly exist, but they are not as common as you think they are.
Whenever I've used an old Thinkpad with windows on it, it has been slow to the point of being unusable. Linux is much better in this regard, let alone after a few years of use.
Except can't trust corporate clowns to keep shit working... Once they they obtain market share, they start doing weird things, recent example win11 where they make it less useable just because fuck plebs.
Yeah but everyone has a different line of what's too far. Just like reddit, many knew things were getting bad but didn't actually leave until recently. No doubt Microsoft will eventually piss me off enough to switch but for now I barely use my pc as is so it's not worth the hassle.
Good news! Sh.itjust.works!
Shit ain’t working
Ahahahaha
I've resorted to just creating accounts for other people for them, updating the avatar and profile, following people and hashtags that might interest them, and then just handing them the login info.