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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by Kaplya@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

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[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 42 points 8 months ago

Shitlibs are at fault for being shocked that Hexbears acknowledge the DPRK or Cuba as just regular countries where regular people live regular lives. There's not no value in slowly prying NATO anticommunist brainwashing out obviously, but again fuck the shitlibs for buying into that hook line & sinker.

When I discovered Hexbear via my wife I had not read an ounce of theory and thought that "communists" didn't exist anymore and were an artifact of the 20th century. Even I knew that western governments lied through their teeth about the USSR and China though, and I had the presence of mind to take in what was at the time an opposing viewpoint. As a result, I now know that North Korea is just a nation doing its best given the extreme trade sanctions it is under. Why compromise that for people who can't handle it?

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