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[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (55 children)

Lol, high-speed rail in the US is a joke. California's HSR program started in 1996 and hasn't produced anything substantial in nearly 30 years. They might be able to get 1/3 of Phase 1 into operation by 2030. It's not even in discussion unless it's bundled with some kind of meme shit like depressurized train tunnels and eliminating safety measures.

In China, Deng started the Chinese HSR program around the same time and went from virtually none to being the world leader in kilometers of HSR with ~45,000 Km of operational HSR. To put that into perspective, that's double the rest of the world combined. In fact, China has more HSR in construction than the rest of the world has active HSR today.

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[–] hpca01@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (54 children)

There's this thing called land ownership which is a right...the state can eminent domain them but they'd have to fight it in court.

Doubt they have that in China, if your home is in the way of a planned development...it won't be soon. You don't buy land from the government there, it's on a lease basis.

That and everyone in politics has to be aligned. If the top down order is to build a HSR, no cog in the system can just slow shit down for the hell of it. Doesn't work that way in the US, as witnessed by the myriad times that the government can never approve the budget before it's due.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 10 months ago (4 children)

So...it's a good thing when someone can torpedo a massive infrastructure project that will benefit millions just because they don't feel like selling "their" land? Because they have a slip of paper that says they own a bunch of land, they can personally decide whether or not millions of people have access to public transport? Is that the argument you're making? That capitalism is a superior system because someone who is rich and powerful enough can inconvenience or even destroy the lives of millions just cause they can?

[–] hpca01@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not a good thing in the long run if someone can do that. I'd have loved the HSR from NCAL to SCAL, would have avoided all those hours on the 5.

There are pros and cons basically, there isn't a system that is perfect.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, you're absolutely right, there's no such thing as a perfect system (and us communists aren't trying to pretend our system is perfect either, that's a common misunderstanding. The goal is "better" than what we currently have, not "perfect.")

But in the case of this example I would say the cons far outweigh the pros. A system that focuses on the people first and doesn't give the rich special priority and privileges would be a better society in general, wouldn't you?

[–] hpca01@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For the greater good is definitely a good way to go. But I'd be careful about who decides what is good and what isn't.

In this case, I'd love HSR.

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