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Looking for a job as backend developer, a Sankey diagram
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Data collected from Oct 6th, 2023, until today. All data collected by me.
Applied to 61 job offers on different sites (LinkedIn mostly, but also some minor Spanish job sites). All of them were for Django or Python backend developer (asking for Django, FastAPI or Flask), mostly mid/senior level, but some of them even were for junior level, just in case.
For companies to say that they can't find workers, it's curious to see why so many don't even give you the time of day.
Yeah. Today I read an article saying last year there was a huge increment of layoffs on IT, and "75% of companies can't find what they are looking for", so I guess they're looking for slaves. Or someone who can read the job application emails.
They only want senior developers (and probably for the price of junior developers).
Yes. Today I had the last interview (before accepting the current one), and they offered me less money, for a job position where they require +4 years of experience. Well, I'm almost there, but the top salary they want to pay is just high for a junior...
Especially larger companies are sometimes structurally unable to effectively hire people.
I've been involved in the hiring process of a large company (>100k people at the time). The process goes something like this. The team lead needs a Java dev, announces that to the department head. DH whips out the standard dev requirements, these include some technologies that the department doesn't use anymore, and some the department may would like to use in the future.
That shebang goes to HR. They fluff everything up, add some aspirational stuff, like AI, so they sound more interesting.
Obviously, nobody fits the bill, HR will throw out anyone who doesn't confuse them enough with lies or jargon.
And even if you do get through, internal politics might get you. We had a pretty good candidate once, who was highly competent and had experience in teaching and training junior devs. He interviewed with two teams. My team gave him good grades, but we suggested that the other teams, full of fresh graduates, might profit more from his teaching experience. That was turned into "they don't want him", even though we explicitly said, he's a good hire. He didn't get the job. Absolute shame.
Most companies structure layoffs so that they retain as many high skilled workers as possible. That means that in times like these the market is awash in underperforming candidates. Finding good hires can be even harder than normal.
Makes sense.
Man, I can say sometimes you're right. But I have an open position on my team, I've received over 100 applications and something like 85% of them have no relevant experience. Do you actually expect me to try and talk to all of them? I do what I can and interview who I think fits best. It's not perfect science but I have to work with what I have.
I mean, a bog standard rejection email at least would be nice. Being entirely ghosted sucks, at least with a rejection I know not to keep thinking about that job.
Yeah. Standard rejection emails are good. I have gotten some really nice rejection emails. I haven't dwelt on them long enough to know what sets them apart.
I have gotten a couple of rejections and thought: huh, I forgot I applied there. I have been wanting to do a diagram like this for my current job hunt, but I think I am getting a higher percentage of rejections than OP.
That's all what I need, tbh.
Even:
Would be better than nothing.
Kinda rude, but yes. Better than ghosting us.
Seriously, sharing this bad feeling with you all and seeing we're not alone, make me feel better about it.
I agree with you. If I interview someone, I make it a point to get back with news(good or bad) asap. I don't sit on it. I give the information to my recruiter and ask the recruiter to get on top of a response.
I don't know if we respond to candidates that don't get interviews. I can recommend it. I'm sure our recruiting software can do it.
I think it's hr people justifying their existence by doing "market research" when there's no actual open position
Because unemployment is 3.7%. Tech sits around 2%. This person's experience isn't representative of most tech workers experiences, at least in the US.
As I said, this is my experience in Spain, not US.
I don't think that original comment I replied to was about Spain in general. They are just sarcastically parroting the line from mostly us based companies.
The one instance when you're living in pain but with the S... and without, too