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Legal experts skewered Alina Habba's "comedy of bumbling errors" in Trump defamation trial

Former President Donald Trump's appeal of the $83.3 million verdict in the defamation case brought by E. Jean Carroll is unlikely to succeed, legal experts say.

"Let me ruin the suspense for everyone. Trump doesn't have an appeal," Nashville lawyer Brian Manookian argued Friday. "I know the talking heads on TV who have never tried a case or appealed a jury verdict have to mention it. Here's why it isn't going to fly."

A person must "preserve a reversible error at the trial level" in order to have a case with merit on appeal, Manookian explained, ultimately blaming Trump's lack thereof on his legal team in the case.

"This is why you hire competent counsel. You need someone who actually knows the rules of evidence and procedure," he said. "Alina Habba had no clue what was occurring throughout the trial. She not only failed to preserve any remote grounds for appeal, like a moron, she repeatedly and unintentionally waived them over and over."

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 92 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"I do think part of the rough week he had was having chosen a counsel who doesn't seem to have any, not just chops, but judgment about how you try a case like this when it's already been established[,]and you may not quibble that your client has sexually assaulted the plaintiff and then lied about it."

Shitheads in Ohio be like, “Imma vote for him!” Because corporate journalism has failed catastrophically.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 109 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Stop blaming the media.

When he said he liked soldiers who didn't get captured, the main stream media reported it. When the pussy grabber tape came out the media was all over it. They played the tapes of him talking about perving on the Miss Teen USA contestants.

I saw one of his defenders on The View. One of the panelists kept repeating 'grab the pussy' over and over. The woman who was supporting Trump asked her not to use that offensive language.

The media reported and the MAGoos decided it didn't matter.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Stop absolving the media. They absolutely have some culpability here for treating whackjobs with the same credulity they treat scientists, treating existential threats against democracy as if they're a normal part of the political horse race, and otherwise perpetuating habitual and systemic balance fallacies on a massive scale. The "MAGoos" didn't just go off the deep end on their own; the media helped mislead them straight off it.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The other poster actually gave examples. You posted something but vague references to a "balance fallacy" (I love how you cited that, but not any examples. lol) . .and have a way better upvote to downvote ration than the other poster.

This is the perfect example of this place using the upvote as the "I agree" button rather than actual, good arguments that add to the discussion. People want to shit on the media, and you gave them an a vague, effectively unchallengeable post to do so. Congrats.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like you're just mad you're wrong though.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

What, exactly, an I wrong about here?

[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I thought the American media has no obligation to the American people and it's reporting, however flawed, is protected under the first amendment.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
  1. I never said they didn't.

  2. I equally have a first amendment right to bitch about how irresponsible they're being.

[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Sure, but you're trying to give them a responsibility they don't have or care to have. Your truth to power doesn't amount to much. And I agree, that's a huge problem.

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, we all know what terrible person he is because of this.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Trump and his people treat the media the same way surly tweens treat their parents. If the NY Times says that Trump is one of the richest people in the world his people will repeat that claim over and over. If the Times says that Donnie took money from Putin it's FAKE NEWS!

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And if they said that he took money from Putin to become one of the richest in the world, that's just good business.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

The actually hilarious thing is that Trump could have extorted billions out of Putin on Inauguration Day.

"Hey, Vlad, why don't you release all those pictures you have of me. That's right, send 'em all to the NY Times. I got the CIA on stand by to prove they are all fakes. Now, Vlad, if you send me $10 billion I promise not to go to Congress tomorrow and beg them to fast track letting Ukraine join NATO. You're alread yon it? I knew we could stay pals..."