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"Trump doesn't have an appeal": Experts say Trump may fire lawyer after being "burned very severely" (www.salon.com)

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Legal experts skewered Alina Habba's "comedy of bumbling errors" in Trump defamation trial

Former President Donald Trump's appeal of the $83.3 million verdict in the defamation case brought by E. Jean Carroll is unlikely to succeed, legal experts say.

"Let me ruin the suspense for everyone. Trump doesn't have an appeal," Nashville lawyer Brian Manookian argued Friday. "I know the talking heads on TV who have never tried a case or appealed a jury verdict have to mention it. Here's why it isn't going to fly."

A person must "preserve a reversible error at the trial level" in order to have a case with merit on appeal, Manookian explained, ultimately blaming Trump's lack thereof on his legal team in the case.

"This is why you hire competent counsel. You need someone who actually knows the rules of evidence and procedure," he said. "Alina Habba had no clue what was occurring throughout the trial. She not only failed to preserve any remote grounds for appeal, like a moron, she repeatedly and unintentionally waived them over and over."

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[-] Masterblaster@kbin.social 98 points 7 months ago

trump thinks only in terms of television. he picked the pretty lawyer because, in his mind, everyone that looks good is better than other people. his narcissism is chronic.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 61 points 7 months ago

He picked the pretty lawyer from the increasingly tiny pool of incompetent lawyers who are still willing to risk whatever career they ever hoped to have in exchange for being hung out to dry and screwed out of any money they expected to receive.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 55 points 7 months ago

Trump truly believes that he's going to be President again, none way or another. If he doesn't win the actual vote he thinks that millions of his supporters will flood the streets and enthrone him. All the trials are merely a sideshow to him.

Reminds me of an old story. Son is condemned to be shot for cowardice. His father, the general, sends him a message to act bravely, because he will be pardoned at the last minute. The son faces his last hours coolly, because he has nothing to fear. When they finally slip the blindfold on he realizes that Daddy couldn't save him, but Daddy wanted him to die bravely. The only difference is Trump is the 'victim' who lies to himself.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

Also his dementia.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 92 points 7 months ago

"I do think part of the rough week he had was having chosen a counsel who doesn't seem to have any, not just chops, but judgment about how you try a case like this when it's already been established[,]and you may not quibble that your client has sexually assaulted the plaintiff and then lied about it."

Shitheads in Ohio be like, “Imma vote for him!” Because corporate journalism has failed catastrophically.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 109 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Stop blaming the media.

When he said he liked soldiers who didn't get captured, the main stream media reported it. When the pussy grabber tape came out the media was all over it. They played the tapes of him talking about perving on the Miss Teen USA contestants.

I saw one of his defenders on The View. One of the panelists kept repeating 'grab the pussy' over and over. The woman who was supporting Trump asked her not to use that offensive language.

The media reported and the MAGoos decided it didn't matter.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 55 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Stop absolving the media. They absolutely have some culpability here for treating whackjobs with the same credulity they treat scientists, treating existential threats against democracy as if they're a normal part of the political horse race, and otherwise perpetuating habitual and systemic balance fallacies on a massive scale. The "MAGoos" didn't just go off the deep end on their own; the media helped mislead them straight off it.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 29 points 7 months ago

The other poster actually gave examples. You posted something but vague references to a "balance fallacy" (I love how you cited that, but not any examples. lol) . .and have a way better upvote to downvote ration than the other poster.

This is the perfect example of this place using the upvote as the "I agree" button rather than actual, good arguments that add to the discussion. People want to shit on the media, and you gave them an a vague, effectively unchallengeable post to do so. Congrats.

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 18 points 7 months ago

https://www.thewrap.com/ny-times-list-trump-lies-longer-than-war-and-peace/

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[-] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 86 points 7 months ago

Looks like typical DJT operating procedures. Hire incompetence and then blame the system for their incompetence. I used to do high stakes litigation. We would have an attorney on our trial team whose only responsibility was preserving error. I wonder if DJT will sue her for malpractice. That would probably make her extra sad for servicing his tiny mushroom.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 7 months ago

We gotta end small-dick hate, homedog.

[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

It's not small dick hate. It's calling out the shallowest thing that would piss trump off. It's especially poetic as he makes exaggerated claims about his persons all the time, including what we know is a complete exaggeration on the size of his dick (thanks Stormy).

Any other person I'm in total agreement with you.

Just not this one. Not after he fucking mocked a disabled person on live TV and suffered zero consequences.

This is all we've got right now.

[-] slingstone@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Being one of the lesser-endowed, I'll allow it.

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[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't hate small dicks. I hate people who act like massive assholes because they have small dicks.

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[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 52 points 7 months ago

Didn’t she have a gaming laptop computer at the beginning of the trial in court? Game on!

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 26 points 7 months ago

Lmao you’re right she had a RoG laptop at the start of it

[-] ericisshort@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

And it wasn’t even hers. The gaming laptop belonged to the court and was used for the live transcript feed.

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[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 20 points 7 months ago

I'm surprised how noteworthy people find this

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

Because it's funny either way.

Is she a legitimate attorney who is also a gamer and uses the same laptop for work so she can squeeze in some Rocket League during court recesses?

Or is she technologically incompetent, and bought an expensive laptop she didn't realize was the wrong tool for the job? She's proven she's incompetent as a lawyer, being unsavvy with tech is just icing on that cake.

Or maybe it's her nephew's gaming rig, and she's borrowing it for her big court case.

[-] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

A gaming laptop is very capable for her work. It just doesn’t look professional for said work.

“360-noscopes” trough the courtroom.

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 7 months ago

I truly hope the announcer for Unreal Tournament would narrate that.

"POOR LEGAL ARGUMENT", "DENIED", "CONTEMPT OF COURT". I get shivers thinking of that.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

its like Joe Pesci's suit in my cousin vinny. like she had some misadventures in a net cafe.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I can imagine a panicked conversation at the nearest Walmart, "I was the only one without a laptop, and I need one, and it just needs to be able to handle whatever."

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[-] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 18 points 7 months ago

I'm sure she just asked IT for the most powerful laptop she could get, and IT just shrugged and got out the corporate card. Or she games in her time off. Who knows, who cares.

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago

You get what you pay for 🤫

[-] Teon@kbin.social 49 points 7 months ago

The funny part is, he lost the case so he is famous for stiffing the lawyers.
She is going to have to sue him for the payment. That's gonna be very funny to see.

[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago

I hope she hires a decent lawyer

[-] kablammy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 7 months ago

It's crappy lawyers all the way down.

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 28 points 7 months ago

Can he call for an appeal or mistrial based on inadequate legal protection or ineffective assistance of council?

Is that a thing?

[-] evolatic@lemmy.world 59 points 7 months ago

Not in a civil trial. That's only for criminal trials.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago

Cool, thanks

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[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 27 points 7 months ago

Then I want to thank Alina Habba for helping to preserve a chance for democracy in the US.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

she was pretending to be smart.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 7 months ago

Would I be a bigot if I were to observe that she probably wouldn't be trumps lawyer if she were an overweight balding middle aged male?

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago

No because you're not judging anyone but trump

[-] troybot@midwest.social 12 points 7 months ago

Are you referring to Rudy Giuliani? Because he was also incompetent.

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[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Lol. Let's see if she gets paid.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 10 points 7 months ago

I'd say what kind of professional wouldn't get payment upfront from Trump these days, but

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

But people here on Lemmy have told me repeatedly that she isn't stupid and that she was creatively doing Trump's bidding! As recently as yesterday!

Do you mean to tell me she is stupid?!

[-] MrPibb@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 7 months ago

Well, to be fair, it’s quite possible for her to be both stupid AND doing Trump’s bidding. It’s not like he is firing on all cylinders, the guy brags about being able to pick out a whale from a from a lineup of fruits and vegetables.

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Reminder that Trump could have used the more competent Christopher Kise for this.

I guess pretending to be smart didn't work out so well for Habba this time.

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