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[–] paulzy@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

I wonder if in the 1800s people saw the first photograph and thought… “well, that’s the end of painters.” Others probably said “look! it’s so shitty it can’t even reproduce colors!!!”.

What it was the end of was talentless painters who were just copying what they saw. Painting stopped being for service and started being for art. That is where software development is going.

I have worked with hundreds of software developers in the last 20 years, half of them were copy pasters who got into software because they tricked people into thinking it was magic. In the future we will still code, just don’t bother with the thing the Prompt Engineer can do in 5 seconds.

[–] InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What it was the end of was talentless painters who were just copying what they saw. Painting stopped being for service and started being for art. That is where software development is going.

I think a better way of saying this are people who were just doing it for a job, not because of a lot of talent or passion for painting.

But doing something just because it is a job is what a lot of people have to do to survive. Not everyone can have a profession that they love and have a passion for.

That's where the problem comes in when it comes to these generative AI.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

And then the problem here is capitalism and NOT AI art. The capitalists are ALWAYS looking for ways to not pay us, if it wasnt AI art, it was always going to be something else

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think that's a bad analogy because of the whole being able to think part.

I'll be interested in seeing what (if anything) humans will be able to do better.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

It was exactly the same as with AI art. The same histrionics about the end of art and the dangers to society. It's really embarrassing how unoriginal all this is.

Charles Baudelaire, father of modern art criticism, in 1859:

As the photographic industry was the refuge of every would-be painter, every painter too ill-endowed or too lazy to complete his studies, this universal infatuation bore not only the mark of a blindness, an imbecility, but had also the air of a vengeance. I do not believe, or at least I do not wish to believe, in the absolute success of such a brutish conspiracy, in which, as in all others, one finds both fools and knaves; but I am convinced that the ill-applied developments of photography, like all other purely material developments of progress, have contrib­uted much to the impoverishment of the French artistic genius, which is already so scarce.


What it was the end of was talentless painters who were just copying what they saw. Painting stopped being for service and started being for art.

This attitude is not new, either. He addressed it thus:

I know very well that some people will retort, “The disease which you have just been diagnosing is a disease of imbeciles. What man worthy of the name of artist, and what true connoisseur, has ever confused art with industry?” I know it; and yet I will ask them in my turn if they believe in the contagion of good and evil, in the action of the mass on individuals, and in the involuntary, forced obedience of the individual to the mass.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

The hardest part of coding is managing the project, not writing the content of one function. By the time LLMs can do that it's not just programming jobs that will be obsolete, it will be all office jobs.